Posted on Jul 26, 2021
SSgt Timothy Prevost
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In my personal opinion, servicemembers should be able to have as many tattoos as they desire. Tattoos do not make make the servicemember less professional, they're something we do out of personal expression and a way to commemorate meaningful things. With the current state of the world being as it is, shouldn't the military be more accepting of all cultures and individualities of the servicemember? Diversity and inclusion is a priority for most businesses and is currently a huge priority within the military. That's all well and great yes, but how does a servicemember having a sleeve tattoo or hand tattoos affect mission success? It doesn't. Does having a tattoo on my index finger impede my ability as a trigger puller? No it doesn't. If i have a sleeve tattoo, does that stop me from carrying my buddy off the battlefield? Nope, I can still carry them.

Just my thoughts. What do you think?

These opinions are my own and are not to be reflective of the USMC or DOD
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SSG Samuel Kermon
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You raise an interesting question. I, personally, don't have any tattoos, don't want one. Many, many Marines I served with did have at least one, several had more. The tattoo had to be completely coverable and that seemed to be about it. Today many more people accept tattoos as no big deal. So I cannot answer except as an opinion. Here it is: have your tats, as long as it is not visible so as to prevent an uniform and professional appearance.
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Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA
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I agree with this position and would add that the intent of uniformity in the military may be to prevent in-groups and out-groups within the ranks. I would suggest tattoos that are not generally visible would be okay as long as they are personal choices and not associated with undesirable groups (whatever that means).
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SSG Samuel Kermon
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Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA yes, sir. "Whatever group" could mean any group, no matter what, that offends you.
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CPO James Soper
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I would agree with your statement. I do have 2 tattoos and they are for my pleasure and no one else's. They are where they cannot be seem in any uniform.
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I think the issue comes down to perception. Perception of the military by the populace. Think about it, in the civilian job market, it is the perception of visible tattoos that will get the sans tattoo person a better shot at a job than someone with tats. Especially if they are distinctly visible on the hands and/or face. Some folks just don't want the general populace perceiving us military folk as mindless ruffians, hooligans and heathens because of visible tattoos. People see tats (especially facial) and instantly think uneducated. But, this is just my opinion.
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SSgt Timothy Prevost
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No I totally understand that but we as a society are moving away from the perception of people with tattoos being mindless ruffians, hooligans and heathens. I think we need to adapt with the times. If a business does not hire you because of tattoos, I imagine that would reflect extremely poorly on that business. As for the perception of being uneducated by having tattoos.... I think the person who perceives that sounds way more uneducated no? If I tell someone they can't do something that is completely harmless and in no way affects their quality of work and performance is that not me already having a specific bias against that something?
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SSgt Timothy Prevost - I'm in total agreement. I have a tat. My wife has tats. In no way does it affect our jobs.
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CPO William Slifko
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SSgt Timothy Prevost - The point you seem to be missing in that blatantly visible tattoos that cannot be covered while in uniform/business dress give the appearance of "being mindless ruffians, hooligans and heathens" because there is no cultural identity associated with tattoos and western society. When everyone has a tattoo, the concept of individuality is laughable. That can be directly linked to a person's intellect - think hivemind. It simply becomes an adornment that some people think looks cool or cute. This is no different than bell-bottom pants with the exception of the fact that we could simply throw those out and buy something more sensible. Having spent 23 years in the Navy where there is some cultural norm in getting a tattoo, I chose not to because I wanted to maintain my individuality.
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CW3 Harvey K.
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Right off the bat -- the "HOLD FAST" tattoo shown is "bassakwards". It was a good reminder to a Sailor up in the rigging, but this version is being broadcast to the public.
I have no tattoos, and I recall that if you don't get one in your first hitch, you are not likely to get one later.
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Sgt Jim Belanus
Sgt Jim Belanus
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I never got one either, my high school best friend spent 20 years in the Navy and put one on his upper arm. Now e's trying to get rid of it. Glad I resisted the temptation
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CW3 Harvey K.
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Sgt Jim Belanus - I remember one guy I served with, who showed up after a liberty with a tattoo of a black cat leaning on the number "13" about 6" high on his shoulder.
I asked why he got that done to him, and he said he "liked it". I wonder if he still "likes it" all these decades later.
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Sgt Jim Belanus
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it's the thing now especially with girls, 2 out of my 3 have them and one to the extreme, I expressed my disapointment just once, and did remind them what it will take to get them removed, but what does an old vet dad know
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CW3 Harvey K.
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Sgt Jim Belanus - "Old heads ... young shoulders."
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Military Tattoo Policy: Do the rules and regulations keep warfighters from being unprofessional or are the policies outdated?
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Do anyone think the military use the tattoo policy when the military is sizing down? My NCOs that have been in 10+ years have tats on their hand, back of the neck and side. It always draws my attention because I love tats and currently have 4. When I ask about them they said they received waivers during the enlistment process. It seems as though when the country needs bodies they do not care about tats being unprofessional. When they don't need bodies it becomes unprofessional. Just my two sense.
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In a word, yes. Actions/events that were once waived or punished have come to hurt people in the future when retention is on the line.
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My humble opinion regarding permanent body markings? People don’t seem to understand the meaning of “permanent”.

Granted, I’m a 70 year-old retired Navy guy who never chose to waste my money on “decorating” my skin with any sort of artwork. However, many of the guys I served with regretted their choice at one time or another, and either lived with the decision, covering as necessary, or spending lots of $$$ for removal procedures.

Then again, the “younger” generations tend to look upon their permanent body scarring as some sort of self expression, so it’s really none of my business. My wife has a 51 year-old niece who has covered a large amount of her skin with some very colorful (“LOUD”) tats she has been collecting since the age of 20, and still claims to be “proud” of them. They look disgusting and atrocious, and the woman would have to wear a burka in order to appropriately conceal them. As a result, my wife has refused to appear anywhere in public with her. Yeah, they ARE that bad…

If you want to “express” yourself, get a freakin’ bumper sticker…

Sorry The continued rantings of an old guy who absolutely cannot understand things anymore-LOL!!!!!
Lt Col Charlie Brown
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The rules are the rules.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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As someone who had ink before I enlisted and got some while in uniform I will say the most obvious thing. A great many rules and regulations are around because of "Someone" taking things to far. Appearance has always been a high priority in uniform and given that some folks tend to put anything they see on the wall in the shop on their bodies without any real thought and not fully understanding the end results is one reason why there are limits. I have seen some troops that have taken to neck, head and hand tattoos while in dress uniforms at funerals, weddings etc and it does detract from the uniform. We have had that whole back and forth thing about what was allowed during relaxed enforcement and what should be removed at Soldiers expense etc.
The Military has a standard set of rules and regulations that everyone knows about before they enlist and while they serve. There are ways to modify and change them, but there are steps to do so. Sometimes it takes years if not decades to affect change and not all change is good for the order. I for one understood why we had TATTOO checks to see what the troops were putting on their bodies but I was also tired of them by the end. What was once a simple tattoo that was for motivation can later morph into and affiliation with a restricted group and can lead to removal from service or unofficial pressures to have it removed. It used to be a small subset that had ink and even then not much ink. Now Tattoos are the norm and those with no ink are the exception.
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A1C Chris Pointer
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Huh..seems like I’m going to be the odd man out for this one. I personally don’t have an issue with tattoos in general but like that one Marine commandant said “show me the tattoo that’s going to help you kill more effectively”.

I remember when i first saw sailors with hand tattoos and I was amazed they could do that. Then within 5 minutes I no longer cared. When they changed the policy in the Air Force everyone got trees tattooed on their arm for some reason.

So just like tattoos don’t impede performance they also don’t improve it. The one problem I see is that is just another thing to regulate. What’s professional to one person maybe unprofessional to another and offensive to another. Not to mention people don’t always make smart decisions when it comes to tattoos.

While I don’t think it would make a significant impact one way or another, I’d imagine it being a few ruining it for the many
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“show me the tattoo that’s going to help you kill more effectively”. On the flip-side, show me that tattoo that's going to make you combat ineffective.

I have several tattoos on both arms and both legs, none of which makes me less lethal and none which bring discredit to the Corps. As long as there are reasonable standards, no face tattoos and nothing that disparages the country or your service, why does it matter?
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LCpl Kenny Kellar
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My dad, a hard-core marine, advised me if I ever showed up with a tattoo I would get my ass kicked by him. His reasoning was tattoos get less admirable as we age. He had a tattoo of a woman on his bicep that expanded when he flexed. As he got older, she just drooped
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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What about the neck, the face, why not. That’s why not. There have to be lines for everything, or there are no standards, subsequently no discipline.
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