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Posted on Dec 18, 2021
What can I do if I am missing a DA 638 for an award earned at a previous duty station?
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Long story short, I was reviewing my I love my book to see if anything was missing from the book. Of course, with my luck, I noticed I received an Army Achievement Medal, but I only have a certificate and not the DA 638. I reached out to my previous unit for help but did not get any. My current S1 states that I cannot add the award to my SRB even though it is an original copy with the signature and number at the bottom. Any input on what I can do? Or am I out of luck?
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Having the Cert with the Order Number is sufficient. Having the Cert with Order Number AND the 638 is just extra icing on the cake. Your S1 can take that order number and should be able to track down the 638. Was the 638 not iPermed?
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SSG Daquan Torrey
SFC Livingston, unfortunately no this was not inputted into iperms prior to being given the award. I was literally handed the award right before I left to head back home on a rotation.
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SFC (Join to see)
There are a lot of SMs and vets on this site who served before iPerms went active. All of our records were paper and purged on a regular basis. A lot of the stuff the Pac Sections removed shouldn’t have been removed so we were missing things when they loaded our records. They were able to get our records up to date with certificates we kept. There’s no reason they can’t do this for you other than lack of knowledge or laziness, Maybe it’s time to speak with the actual S1 officer, SSG Daquan Torrey
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Sounds like your S1 either doesn’t want to, or doesn’t know how to, do their job. Like everyone has stated - the order number is on the certificate. That’s all they need.
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Sounds like the S1 is being a REMF. In my day a REMF was someone (wherever they worked) that could do something for soldiers but was too stupid or lazy or neglecting their duties. The last one is a chargeable offense under UCMJ.
"Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is "Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation" (written or stated). The U.S. military considers it a dereliction of duty when soldiers are unable or unwilling to perform the job assigned to military personnel."
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Elements of Article 92
There are several key elements to Article 92 that must be considered, together or separately for UCMJ Action:
1. Violation of a lawful general order or regulation: The individual must have violated a general order or regulation that they had a duty to obey.
2. Failure to obey other lawful order: The individual must have known about the order, had a duty to obey it, and then failed to do so.
3. This one applies to your case - Dereliction in the performance of duties: The accused must have had certain duties that he or she, through neglect or culpable inefficiency, simply failed to perform.
All that being said - bring it to the attention of your COC to the S1 Staff Officer.
It probably was NOT the S1s Senior Staff that told you, 'NO'. Give your COC and the S1 clerk's COC a chance to fix the clerk. Otherwise that clerk will never get better at his duties. Likewise you avoid a direct confrontation that rightfully is your COC's problem to fix.
SSG Daquan Torrey Godspeed.
"Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is "Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation" (written or stated). The U.S. military considers it a dereliction of duty when soldiers are unable or unwilling to perform the job assigned to military personnel."
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Elements of Article 92
There are several key elements to Article 92 that must be considered, together or separately for UCMJ Action:
1. Violation of a lawful general order or regulation: The individual must have violated a general order or regulation that they had a duty to obey.
2. Failure to obey other lawful order: The individual must have known about the order, had a duty to obey it, and then failed to do so.
3. This one applies to your case - Dereliction in the performance of duties: The accused must have had certain duties that he or she, through neglect or culpable inefficiency, simply failed to perform.
All that being said - bring it to the attention of your COC to the S1 Staff Officer.
It probably was NOT the S1s Senior Staff that told you, 'NO'. Give your COC and the S1 clerk's COC a chance to fix the clerk. Otherwise that clerk will never get better at his duties. Likewise you avoid a direct confrontation that rightfully is your COC's problem to fix.
SSG Daquan Torrey Godspeed.
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SSG Daquan Torrey
Roger SFC Kelley, I was trying to handle this at the lowest level before I brought it up to my 1SG. But at this rate I will just have to do so. Thanks for the input!
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There should be an orders# on the bottom left of the certificate. S-1 can use that.
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SSG Daquan Torrey
SFC Hasbun, I argued that to the S1 clerks. We have two ncos in the S1 shop who just reclassed to the MOS. The lower enlisted are telling me know and the two new senior ncos are standing by their word. I will have to take this up with my CoC.
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SSG Daquan Torrey
SFC Boyd I been looking into the regs to see if I can find something in black and white to bring to the argument. I haven’t found nothing yet, by chance would you know? I’m still looking into AR 600-8-22 currently.
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SFC (Join to see)
SSG Daquan Torrey you've actually already answered your own question. There is nothing that says you must have the 638 to add it to your ERB, that is something your S1 just made up. If they refuse, submit a request to your IG for them to square away your S1. You're not the only one in your unit this is negatively affecting
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LTC Jason Mackay
SSG Daquan Torrey - your previous Battalion S1 (not your previous company) has the 638 if a PO number was on your certificate. Not discounting what SFC Boyd told you, just so you can get everything in your I Love me book as encountering block heads will happen time to time.
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You could always contact the IG; however your Command might not appreciate that!
I would refer you to SFC (Join to see) as he knows Army Regulations.
Best of luck SSG Daquan Torrey !
I would refer you to SFC (Join to see) as he knows Army Regulations.
Best of luck SSG Daquan Torrey !
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Leaders,
I want to say thanks for the guidance I was able to get this uploaded to my SRB. I asked for the black and white to include an SOP.
I want to say thanks for the guidance I was able to get this uploaded to my SRB. I asked for the black and white to include an SOP.
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