Posted on May 29, 2015
MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM
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PO2 Eric Pope
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Its provocative for sure. Looking at it from a different perspective, I would hope that it would provoke 'moderate Muslims' to come out of the shadows (Mosque) and show their disdain for the extremists. I mean, wouldn't you want to come show you moderate-ness? So where were they?
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PO1 John Miller
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Just trying to invoke a response from the Muslim community. Basically the same thing the radical Muslims try to do. How does that make us any better than them?

Just because it's legal (free speech and all) doesn't make it a good idea! Yes guns are very legal here in Arizona, both open and concealed carry. But I can already see the anti-gun crowd using this as an argument for more gun control.
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SFC Matthew Parker
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SSG Fiszel,
I think this is a stupid and offensive event in poor taste and Muslims should ignore it. Its a useless exercise with no clear goal or purpose other than to insult and incite and I hope it takes place without a problem.

Now if this was Yankee fans outside of Fenway park drawing Ted Williams I might be inclined to care, no, on second thought still don't.

What bothers me is reading some of the discussions on this thread and seeing so many Islam haters, sharia law fear mongers and other uneducated veterans so willing to hate something they don't understand. One petty officer mentions sharia was used in court cases here in the US, funny she doesn't mention American Indian law being used in US court cases, that Christian beliefs were the foundation for US law or that the military has its own law called the UCMJ. I guess the 10 commandments is ok in court but not thou shall not eat pork.

Sharia law is pretty silly and if your a woman it really sucks, but how about that old testament , that was pretty far out there. Leviticus 21:17-24

“Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’”

So when do we protest outside a church because god hates the disfigured? What no outrage? We can make fun of the Muslim beliefs but don't get uppity with the Bible thumpers right?

On another thread it asks why we let so many "Muslim extremists live on our land" here is my question, why do we allow so many Christian extremists live on our land?

Why do we allow so many Religions at all, why do we allow Yankee fans, Ford and dodge lovers, and soccer lovers to live on our land. Stumped?

Its because we are the United States of America and our constitution says we are all equal under the law. There is no national religion, single political party, national language, or other divisive demographic allowed. Our founders specifically separated religion and government, and the 1st amendment says its ok for both the Muslims to believe drawing Muhammad is disrespectful and for others to believe its not.

I can quote the bible or the book or Mormon or the Koran with equal sarcasm and while offensive its also apart of what makes this country better than all the others on the planet. So don't hate Islam, hate those who pervert its teachings like those who perverted the bible during the crusades and inquisition. As for these people drawing in Texas, give them a pencil and some paper and ignore them.

Have we forgotten what country this is? Have we stopped being Americans?
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SGT Forrest Stewart
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I think a contest depicting ANY type image of Mohammed is just stupid. It has been a taboo for centuries for any image of Mohammed be made. Free speech is one thing, Burning Bibles, The Quran, The American Flag etc. is just asking for trouble. Don't do it.

No, I am not a Muslim, nor am I a Muslim sympathizer. I am a Christian first and foremost. My family is next. My country is third. I will fight for each of these.
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PO1 Airframe Mechanic
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Sounds like 3rd grader tactics to me
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TSgt Emergency Management
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I guess the real argument here is if we agree with their intent of the event, or the consequences.
The intent of the event is to practice their right of assembly, free speech, right to bear arms, etc. I don't believe there is anyone (here on rallypoint) who believes they shouldn't hold this event for these reasons.
However, the consequences of the event are definitely in question. By consequentialism ethics, one can clearly see that this event is definitely unethical, and it should not be held. However, it is still not illegal to do something unethical, as long at the people involved are following the law. So, it is all subjective. Ethics are subjective, one can believe in deontologic ethics, and one can believe in consequential ethics. So, some would think it's ethically acceptable, and others would think it's unethical... The resulting view of the situation is extremely dependent on one's personal views.
In my personal opinion, yes what they are doing is "wrong," but they have every right to do it. I don't follow that way of living. I would rather hold the event somewhere less provocative (I would actually not hold the event at all if it were up to me.)
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This is honestly one of the dumbest ideas I've seen today. What's the purpose? How are we benefiting from this?

This to me is trolling at its best... Don't feed the troll's...

Cheers!
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SGT Lawrence Corser
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dumb. if Islamist did this in front of a church in America tons of people would go bananas and prob start a war.
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PO1 Kerry French
PO1 Kerry French
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No they wouldn't.
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With rights also come responsibility. Yes, freedom of speech and press should be and are protected to an extent. But we also have responsibilities. Exercising these rights is obviously offensive to many people, and someone has to be the bigger person to stop the hatred. Do the Westboro Baptist Church have the right to say "thank God for dead soldiers" and "God hates f**s"? Yes they do, but all it is doing is creating hatred, just like these contests. Be a responsible individual with your rights, people.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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When you don't exercise your rights, Lt., you lose them. To bend an entire society to a minority's whims is simply sending the wrong message. That, in fact, is what Political Correctness has done. Be careful out there and don't put ordnance on target in response to unlawful orders.
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
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Yea..."bring your guns" cause it's about freedom of speech? These people are cowards! if they want to fight for their freedoms, head to nearest recruiting office. people are so eger to "fight for this" or "stand up to that" but what happened to the will to die for what's right, to lay down for truth? Gandhi, MLK, Alice Paul, etc. the real protest, the real dedication to cause is the willingness to put your individual self out there and give up your safety, your freedom, your comfort and if nessisary your life for your cause. These people are just noise and they are not inspiring anything but hatred. Nice to neo nazis with their SS t's on in the crowd, there's a touch of class for ya! Illistrates my point perfectly...if they showed up with candles and silence and open hearts and minds we my have over come something.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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Really, head to the nearest recruiting office? You defend your freedoms by dying for lies, as has so often be the case? I'm very disappointed in that, MSgt. I'm sure I would like you, so I urge you to read a little of the history leading up to so many of our wars. We mostly don't fight for what we think we're defending. That's why exercising our rights AT HOME is so crucial. Armed self-defense is yet another right, and all of the others aren't worth spit without that one. As for Neo-Nazis (or anyone who believes in there being more than one HUMAN race), they can all go to hell, as far as I'm concerned), but I would die for all of our individual rights to express ourselves and defend ourselves. That's what our oaths were all about.
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
MSgt Michelle Mondia
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You think a bunch of people drawing provocative cartoons and showing up strapped to place of worship is defending freedom? it didn't change anything except made this country look like a bunch a middle schoolers.
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
MSgt Michelle Mondia
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As you said...you would die for these freedoms. Obviously. But this group of folks is just kicking bee hives and provoking bad relations. So if they are so convicted...they should head to a recruiting office. Not that I want to serve with these bigots...
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
MSgt Michelle Mondia
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I'm all about their rights.i support the ACLU unfortunately all I can do is talk about it I don't particularly demand they shut up that would be un 'Merican
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