MSG stand at Parade Rest for 1SG or SGM for a CSM

There are a couple things that come to mind on this Sir, it could depend on if this is Active Duty, or National Guard, could depend on how long they have known each other, what each others background is, alot of NG units are incredibly relaxed, to the point where i have seen E-2's adressing E-6's by their first name, which is something that really bugs me, but as a specialist, nothing much i can do.

FIRST SERGEANT AND MASTER SERGEANT: When you are talking about the first sergeant, you are talking about the lifeblood of the Army. There can be no substitute for this position or any questions of its importance. When first sergeants are exceptional, their units are exceptional, regardless of any other single personality involved. Perhaps their ranks insignia should be the keystone rather than the traditional one depicted here. It is the position of first sergeant in which almost all unit operations merge.

The first sergeant holds formations, instructs platoon sergeants the commander and assists in training all enlisted members. The first sergeants is proud of the unit and, understandably, wants others to be aware of the unit's success.

For the first time, the title of address for this grade is not sergeant. "first sergeant." There is a unique relationship of confidence and respect that exists between the first sergeant and the commander not found at another level within the Army.

The master sergeant serves as the principal NCO in staff elements at battalion and higher levels. Although not charged with the enormous leadership responsibilities of the first sergeant, the master sergeant is expected to dispatch leadership and other duties with the same professionalism and to achieve the same results as the first sergeant.



COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR AND SERGEANT MAJOR: Enlisted soldiers who attain the distinction of being selected to be command sergeant major are the epitome of success in their chosen field, in this professional of arms. Except sergeant major of the Army, there is no higher grade of rank for enlisted soldiers, and there is no greater honor.

The command sergeant major carries out policies and standard of the performance, training, appearance and conduct of enlisted personnel. The command sergeant major advises and initiates recommendations to the commander and staff in matters pertaining to the local NCO support channel.

Perhaps slightly wiser and more experienced than the first sergeant, the command sergeant major is expected to function completely without supervision. Like the old sage of times past, the command sergeant major's counsel is expected to be calm, settled and unequivocally accurate, but with an energy and enthusiasm that never wanes, even in the worst of times.

Assignable to any billets in the Army, the command sergeants major is all those things, and more, of each of the preceding grades of rank.

The sergeant major is generally the key enlisted member of staff elements at levels than higher than battalion. The sergeant major's experience and ability are equal to that of the command sergeant major, but the sphere of influence regarding leadership is generally limited to those directly under his charge.


http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/nco_duties/duties-of-an-nco.shtml

BTW how did this get turned back towards the lt's saluting Lt's again?

Standard military courtesy to stand at parade rest for a senior rank then yours, regardless if you had previously held the same position the TIG/TIS game doesn't fly if you are a professional. Go behind the fence in the Ranger Regiment and you'll see this on a daily basis.

Sir, please stop trying to stir the pot again. When of the same rank, you look at duty position- a SGM is a staffer, a CSM is in charge of troops. A SPC is an E4, a CPL is a junior NCO with all the privileges as an NCO, The only time for a problem would be if both SPC and CPL were Team leaders.

I may be a unique case but I ran into a ton of MSG with a huge chip on their shoulder demanding that they are addressed as Master Sergeant or Master ummmm No your addressed as Sergeant...

yes this is propper the msg is the tech expert while the fsg is well the boss, was in a unit where msg was the highest rank, but i was fsg without the diamond, it happens especially in med units

I try to stand, maybe not always at parade rest, when I talk to anyone junior or senior. At worst my Airman get the respect they deserve and at best they learn from the example. No it doesn't HAVE to happen all the time but we are charged with setting the example and if you think it is necessary then show them the way.

Good question.....at times I have and at other times I haven't. There was never any form of disrespect implied or intended.

Of course you have seniority between NCOs. A Staff Sergeant could be in the position of Platoon Sergeant and have other Staff Sergeants "beneath" him, but no, they wouldn't stand at parade rest for each other. When NCOs of the same grade hold a position higher than their peers, there is (supposed) mutual respect between them. Making a peer stand at parade rest for you is just a way for one guy to show who's d**k is bigger, which is asinine and that NCO should just have himself reduced back to E-4, since obviously he's still stuck in high school.

The same goes for E-9s (BN CSM vs BDE CSM) and 1SG vs MSG. However, as has been said before, a Corporal has stripes, a Specialist does not. If the Specialist is smart, he'll stand at parade rest for the Corporal not only to show respect to the rank but to teach the junior Soldiers what right looks like. And maybe he'll also get his Corporal...

Sir Rank is the same E-8 is an E-8 E-9 is an E-9. I think at that point in their careers they understand the professionalism that needs to displayed.