MSG stand at Parade Rest for 1SG or SGM for a CSM

I was a 1SG of a Support company that had other E-8 and many E-7. I would never make them stand at parade rest for me except in formation when the whole formation was standing at parade rest due to mutual respect. As for authority, I could. They would sometimes choose to stand at Parade rest if I was giving instructions or task, but normally they took the same posture that I did. That my friends is mutual respect and not letting your rank or position go to your head.

1LT Rosa, I acknowledge the logic you are using to frame the question. But I have never seen a MSG stand at proper parade rest for a 1SG or SGM/CSM. And in the way I have seen these leaders interact, I don't necessarily think there is an expectation of standing at parade rest. When my old 1SG talked to the CSM, he addressed him by rank as is appropriate, but the two of them seemed friendly enough to not have the CSM pulling rank on my 1SG. Of course, this is just one scenario, and I can imagine other RP members have other experiences with this.

Sir,
You really enjoy stirring the pot!

Are we really being serious here? This subject seems so inane to me. Now if the CSM gives the command to come to Parade Rest to subordinate senior NCOs, that's one thing...and if he establishes that it is what he expects from them in an official capacity that is another. And for this kind of thing to be expected between two people of equal pay grade just makes no sense at all. But really...this is nit-noy impertinent subject matter as far as I'm concerned. Now if that individual of equal or lesser rank happens to hold the CMH and he/she is wearing it, I'd better be rendering proper military honors and fire-off a salute to them, but that is the extent of it.

Well sir by the "letter of the law" that is a true statement an NCO of superior rank is afforded this courtesy by the policy you have cited. Then again superior NCO's are also supposed to be given the greeting of the day, or a standard greeting in the absence of one, just like a commissioned officer, minus the salute but we don't see that as strictly adhered to either.

Additionally, "superior rank" can mean by pay grade, time in grade, time in service in the Army, time in service in the military, and age (oldest is more senior) depending on how far down the list you have to go to "break the tie" so to speak.

That all said, you will rarely see CSM/SGM, 1SG/MSG at parade rest for each other unless they did something real bad.

There are plenty of laws and policies that are rarely enforced. For example, it is illegal to hang an object from your vehicles rear view mirror. A person could go their whole life hanging stuff from their rear view mirrors and never getting cited for it, even after being pulled over, with the cop looking dead at the hanging object.

My point is that there is a reason why ( i.e. "spirit of the law") each policy is put in place and the one your referring to is to maintain good order and discipline. To push this policy when it is not necessary is highly frowned upon, even though it's not illegal, and shows a bit of immaturity and short sightedness in my opinion.

Yes.
SGM is subordinate to a CSM, as MSG is subordinate to a 1SG. (CSM outranks a SGM, as 1SG outranks a MSG)
E-8 is NOT a grade, as E-9 is NOT a grade. (I know that's what you always heard, as did I, but that is incorrect.)
Rank is the order of precedence within the same grade. SGM and CSM are not the same grade. 1SG and MSG are not the same grade.
AR 600-200, 1-6, says 1LT, SFC, and CW2 are grades.
Table 1-1 shows rank in order of precedence. CSM is above SGM, and 1SG is above MSG.
Section III, Terms, states, "Grade. A step or degree in a graduated scale of office or rank that is established and designated as a grade by law or regulation. For example, second lieutenant (2LT), captain (CPT), sergeant first class (SFC), chief warrant officer two
(CW2) are grades."
It also states that Rank is "The order of precedence among members of the Armed Forces. Military rank among officers of the same grade or of equivalent grade is determined by comparing dates of rank. An officer whose date of rank is earlier that the date of rank of another officer of the same or equivalent grade is senior to that officer."
Table 1-2 lists comparable grades of rank. Note CSM and SGM, and 1SG and MSG.
2–19. "Precedence of relative grade, enlisted Soldiers. Among enlisted Soldiers of the same grade in active military service, to include retired enlisted Soldiers on active duty,
precedence or relative grade will be determined as follows—
a. According to date of rank."
"Date of rank. The date on which an officer or enlisted Soldier actually or constructively was appointed in a particular grade. The date will be calculated on the basis of criteria established in this regulation and is the first rule for determining relative seniority for officers and enlisted holding the same grade."
"Grade. A step or degree in a graduated scale of office or rank that is established and designated as a grade by law or regulation. For example, second lieutenant (2LT), captain (CPT), sergeant first class (SFC), chief warrant officer two
(CW2) are grades."

Sir I am a MSG in a transportation company that also has a 1SG. As we are both professionals and understand rank structure this far into our careers, I do not stand at parade rest for the 1SG. I run everything operationally and he runs everything administratively. We have mutual respect for one another and neither dips into the others lanes. I would never work with another E8 if he/she expected me to stand at parade rest for him/her. Those are petty little power trip games in my opinion at that level.

I've read about 3/4 of the comments on this subject. Sure does read like a lot of you are reading the same manuals but your interpretations are different. Giving me a headache. I think it's safe to say that respect needs to be shown in public or around lower enlisted Soldiers but in private it's just people with the same rank. We don't need to make this any harder.

Wow...you Army guys sure love standing at parade rest. I don't even stand at parade rest on the occasions I get to talk to a visiting general, and certainly not for people like the squadron commander or wing commander.

Does a Specialist not stand at PARADE REST for a Corporal? They're the same rank, however, one is still superior to the other. So, my answer is yes!