Murica? Do you think that it is right for College Students to say Pledge Against the USA?

I'm with you

I am speechless but I wouldn't be if I can get my hands on that guy... lol

This guy is ultra-left right? So maybe see if he would fit in among modern socialists. (Liberals seem to deny their philosophical predecessors like Mao and Polpot.) Rather than pull the funding, I suggest allocating money for a South American sabbatical where our professor can experience the tolerance and acceptance exhibited by Marxist revolutionaries.

Sergeant, you do know that "Liberals" predated Mao and Pol Pot, don't you? You do know that the "Patriots" in the American Revolution were "Liberals", don't you? You do know that, on the global political scale, BOTH the Republicans and the Democrats are "right-wing" political parties, don't you? You do know that, of the "developed countries" the United States of America is the only one which believes in the ideological purity of allowing the sick and injured to suffer and die unless they have tons of money to pay for their care (proof of ability to pay required up front), don't you? You do know that one of the reasons why the statistics for the medical industry in the United States of America are so good is that almost all cases which make it look bad are excluded from consideration, don't you? (i.e. In its statistical reports, the American medical industry DOES NOT include in its calculations of "average wait time" those people who need the care but don't get it simply because they don't have the money to pay for it.)

Where I live now, a complete package of medical insurance [NO pre-existing condition exclusion, NO per person cap, NO annual cap, NO lifetime cap, complete freedom to chose any doctor I want (who is accepting patients)] for a family of three costs $95.00 per month. To get the same coverage in New York state (to pick a single example) and only pay the same percentage of my income for it, I would have to have a net after tax income of over $1,000,000 per year.

On the other hand, since "Obamacare" obviously doesn't work, we'll just have to wait until 2016 when the US can introduce "Romneycare". What with modern "Find & Replace" technology, it shouldn't take more than a couple of hours to write all the enabling legislation.

Well said sir!

Sadly enough we have what seems to be educated people trying to justify this all. For what? To be contrary to people who believe in America. Thus that little 'Merica' insult that they like to hurl around so much.

It sounds like the "professor" could use a little civil disobedience in his classroom from his students! Beyond that, what he's doing needs to be dragged into the public visibility, and complaints need to be registered with the Administration. Perhaps some public rallies and sign picketing could be used. It's time to take Alinsky's principles and non-violently apply them to well deserving scum.

Yeah that civil disobedience works both ways especially in a time when political correctness basically dictates what one can say.

Good point Colonel. Free speech for all? I wonder how tolerant our erudite hippy would be if a pack of veterans were sitting in class. So, it seems some "free" speech is still informally restricted like in the anti-American culture of academia. A combat veteran who still gets misty eyed when the music plays at 1700 does not have a less valid opinion just because he's not dissenting and is taking regular showers.

One more thing for LT Vicente: I suggest you print off your own remarks in this forum and then spend the next 20 years or so dealing with death, pain, the demands and indifference of the military, lost relationships and the invisible burden of trauma which the dilettante critic will never know. Then go back an read your own pedantic crap where you sound like some constitutional attorney. If you're like most of us, and I'm raising my hand too, you'll laugh a little - maybe give it a face palm.

It is like the information is not being presented by embellished upon and that is only what we hear of.

Censorship has always been a thorn in this countries side.

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I don't approve of anyone "teaching" a 'pledge" against their own country.

Equally, I don't approve of making a "pledge" FOR their own country mandatory.

In fact, when a child simply doesn't understand either the words or the concepts reciting "The Pledge of Allegiance" is the next best thing to meaningless.

One of the best college classes I ever took was given by a noted broadcaster, commentator, author of DECIDEDLY "left-wing" views. The class was in total awe of him. Then I started responding to his questions with the "True Blue Conservative Line". It took him a couple of weeks to get it, and from then on we had barrels of fun because each of us knew that the other wasn't totally serious about the positions we were putting forward. I got an "A+".

PS - If anyone actually tried to teach the "real facts" (i.e. - During "The Opening of the West", more Americans were killed by accidental discharges of their own weapons than were killed by Indians.) in schools/colleges they'd be out of work before the semester was half over.

That is the idea here that differences can be discussed without the constraints of politically correct ambiguity. I think more than anything else, that delineating between food for 'food for thought' and coercion.