Posted on Oct 21, 2014
"Muslims Demand Army Change Its Dress Code To Include Turbans And Beards"
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I see no problem with the turbans or beards, as long as it doesn't interfere with their job. The turban should be of the branches camouflage pattern, or black. Their should be a regulation for the beards so that it doesn't get too out of hand and still look presentable.
Religious tattoos should pose no foreseeable problem, just have them fill out the proper paperwork for them. From what I have been told there are face tattoos, that might send some bad vibes and might look unprofessional.
But I also see why it's causing a big stir because there are people who are being INDIVIDUALS rather than team members like they have been taught and expected to be. So why are we trying to be individuals in a community that teaches us to help the man (or woman) next to you. If we should do this for these guys, then I suggest we have the option for other cultures too. I am a descendant of Celtic people so I wanna wear a kilt, and have one for dress uniforms, and a combat one. We can use them for hotter drier weather , i.e. Middle East. Also the right to wear swords for any rank, not just officers. They're easier to use, never jam and just pretty bad ass in general.
The right to practice our own religious beliefs area right to any man, but there are limits to everything.
Religious tattoos should pose no foreseeable problem, just have them fill out the proper paperwork for them. From what I have been told there are face tattoos, that might send some bad vibes and might look unprofessional.
But I also see why it's causing a big stir because there are people who are being INDIVIDUALS rather than team members like they have been taught and expected to be. So why are we trying to be individuals in a community that teaches us to help the man (or woman) next to you. If we should do this for these guys, then I suggest we have the option for other cultures too. I am a descendant of Celtic people so I wanna wear a kilt, and have one for dress uniforms, and a combat one. We can use them for hotter drier weather , i.e. Middle East. Also the right to wear swords for any rank, not just officers. They're easier to use, never jam and just pretty bad ass in general.
The right to practice our own religious beliefs area right to any man, but there are limits to everything.
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The army will do it. It bends over backwards to appease the minority all the time. The marines on the other hand will tell this guy to go pound sand.
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There is a short but Definitive answer to this question.
1. the military already has regs for religious facial hair.
2. the Turban is used only by specific religious leaders and we already have regs that allow for that THINK CHAPLIANS.
3. If a Turban is to be used in a religious capacity there are already regs that allow for religious gear of ANY kind to be used in Designated areas of religion.
4. The only fashion that any reg will change is the authorization of that headgear for civilian attire which would be ok if it did not create unnecessary risk for that soldier.
5. use of a turban in religious communities signify rank and therefore use in a uniform would not conform to current military rank structures and chains of command and military members are sworn by oath to adhere to military rank structure, use of a turban may become contradictory and therefore should not be used outside of already established guidelines for religious attire already in the UCMJ.
1. the military already has regs for religious facial hair.
2. the Turban is used only by specific religious leaders and we already have regs that allow for that THINK CHAPLIANS.
3. If a Turban is to be used in a religious capacity there are already regs that allow for religious gear of ANY kind to be used in Designated areas of religion.
4. The only fashion that any reg will change is the authorization of that headgear for civilian attire which would be ok if it did not create unnecessary risk for that soldier.
5. use of a turban in religious communities signify rank and therefore use in a uniform would not conform to current military rank structures and chains of command and military members are sworn by oath to adhere to military rank structure, use of a turban may become contradictory and therefore should not be used outside of already established guidelines for religious attire already in the UCMJ.
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How many of you posting hateful comments about Muslim and Sikh Soldiers realize that there ARE many Muslim and some Sikh Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines in the field, fleet, and ranks (and many more who have served or died) who will see your comments? And for those of you currently serving, especially senior NCOs and officers, don't you realize they may be YOUR Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines? What credence will your 'I care about all of you' have if they have read your hate-filled comments implying they weren't born in the U.S., aren't really Americans, should 'go back where they came from', and the even more hateful things I have read here? What kind of command climate are you building? And what kind of gratitude are you showing the men and women who have volunteered to lay their lives on the line for yours, just as you SUPPOSEDLY have for theirs? Once you are in uniform you are supposed to adhere to your military service values. What value does tearing down another service member for their religious beliefs fall under? Shame on all of you who have done so.
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Please tell me they seriously did not implement this? If they did, then the military is slowing circling the drain my friends. From the time I went in 89' to the time I got out 96' (Active) I continuously saw things were getting worse, and this verifies it.
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If you don't like the Army Standard, find another line of work!
There are plenty of contractor and government jobs that allow you to serve the country and keep your beard and head wrap. Are these guys gonna be able to don and clear a pro-mask in the allotted time? pretty sure the beard will get in the way!
There are plenty of contractor and government jobs that allow you to serve the country and keep your beard and head wrap. Are these guys gonna be able to don and clear a pro-mask in the allotted time? pretty sure the beard will get in the way!
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CPT Steven Harder
They are within regulation (AR 670-1), as an exception was granted a while ago.
As for the pro-mask, they DO don and clear their pro-mask within time limit (same requirement as any other soldier has to meet) and they DO have a tight seal.
As for the pro-mask, they DO don and clear their pro-mask within time limit (same requirement as any other soldier has to meet) and they DO have a tight seal.
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I would love to rock my natural Jewfro but unfortunately it's not allowed per AR670-1 and you know what I'm okay with that. If I really wanted to push the Regs to their limits I would go SF and start doing what needs to be done to demilitarize my appearance. But my motivation isn't that high because my wife said so, so until that time comes I, like every other Soldier, will continue to adhere to the standards and argue something that has been long standing for longer than I've been alive.
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All volunteer service or not military policies and regulations don't change to accommodate a certain group because they want it.
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CPT Steven Harder
Policies and regulations haven't changed for the Sikh's to wear their turbans and beards. In accordance with AR 670-1, an exception was granted to allow for them to ONCE AGAIN serve in the US Army . . . WITH their beards and turbans.
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CPT Steven Harder
No special accommodations, MSG Williams, when it comes to training. Exceptions to appropriate sections of AR 670-1, as requested and granted, in accordance with the regulation.
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well this is a little stupid. I appreciate that people want to serve the military, but there are reasons why beards aren't allowed. Or I guess there "were" reasons.
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PO2 Jared Thomas
i guess with the primary reason for no beards being a good seal on a mask. If they can prove that they can, then I guess it would be ok. But i think each individual would have to prove that they can, not just he can so i can type of thing.
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CPT Steven Harder
All Army Sikh's go through the same mask training and the gas chamber/tent, as everyone else . . . Enlisted or Officer.
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Sgt Daniel V.
Yes sir, however the wearer of a turban within a religious community is a sign of religious authority. That authority can jeopardize the incumbent military rank structure. For example if a lower ranking military member is a high ranking religious leader it may cause a conflict of interest if a higher ranking military member is a lower ranking religious leader.
The turban is also not a required peice of daily religious practice and is mostly obsolete except for in underdeveloped areas where the Turban again would signify rank in religious terms. There is conflict of authority and the wearer who be subjected to undue and unnecessary pressure and therefore should not be authorized for use as a uniform item. Its cermeonial or religious use while practicing faith is already allowed. There is also no Islamic law that forbids the use of the current military head wear.
The turban is also not a required peice of daily religious practice and is mostly obsolete except for in underdeveloped areas where the Turban again would signify rank in religious terms. There is conflict of authority and the wearer who be subjected to undue and unnecessary pressure and therefore should not be authorized for use as a uniform item. Its cermeonial or religious use while practicing faith is already allowed. There is also no Islamic law that forbids the use of the current military head wear.
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That's it.. i'm going "Duck Commander" with a bandanna.. duck hunting is a religious event.
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