Posted on Oct 21, 2014
"Muslims Demand Army Change Its Dress Code To Include Turbans And Beards"
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I could of had a beard and not had to be in SF? Reason enough to convert in my book. Combat beards rock! Now if I could convince somebody that Mohammad likes it when you rock the baseball cap I would be set.
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COL Ted Mc
MSgt Donald G. MSgt, You say "I had a friend who was Jedi. Still didn't mean he could carry a light saber." - This is untrue. Your friend IS allowed to carry a light sabre. Unfortunately the US military does not have any in stock and has no plans to issue any in the foreseeable future. HOWEVER, if your friend will present himself and a FUNCTIONING light sabre to his Commanding Officer he will be given official permission to carry his own personal light sabre.
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Here is a question I would like to ask... What about the Devout Jewish military members? Are they going to be allowed to wear yamaka's instead of the regulation head gear? The reason for uniform regulations is to create uniformity. When we open this can of worms the next thing we are going to have is special accommodations for everyone. The beard is a completely different issue... If said bearded soldier is deployed and has need of his Gas-Mask it would be pretty hard to get a complete seal with the hair in the way. Just a couple things I have noticed.
Here is my next question... As a military I have heard that we do not support one religion over another... But here I see preferential treatment given. Now to my question... Does this seem like the military supporting the Sikh religion over others? Especially since on an earlier thread atheists are trying to stop the guard from handing out Bibles to soldiers.
Just my thoughts
Here is my next question... As a military I have heard that we do not support one religion over another... But here I see preferential treatment given. Now to my question... Does this seem like the military supporting the Sikh religion over others? Especially since on an earlier thread atheists are trying to stop the guard from handing out Bibles to soldiers.
Just my thoughts
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SSG David Kaelin
To my knowledge, Jews have always worn yarmulkes in the military. Usually under their caps and such.
I never knew it to be against regulations.
The yarmulke is fairly small and kept in place with pins usually. I've never heard of anyone having a problem with this. Especially since the device is usually only worn during worship services and inside temples, etc.
With the exception of those dudes who wear the curlies, I've never known a Jew who wore the yarmulke at all times.
Apples and oranges...
I never knew it to be against regulations.
The yarmulke is fairly small and kept in place with pins usually. I've never heard of anyone having a problem with this. Especially since the device is usually only worn during worship services and inside temples, etc.
With the exception of those dudes who wear the curlies, I've never known a Jew who wore the yarmulke at all times.
Apples and oranges...
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1SG (Join to see)
Although it may be true that no one joins up with full knowledge of AR 670-1 doesn't mean that it isn't taught to you. And once you do have knowledge of the regulations then you have a choice. Serve your term and leave or Soldier up and stay. Some high speed crazies tend to take the road that shouldn't be traveled and start doing things that can jeopardize their futures all in an effort to leave. The thing is that this is a volunteer military. Long gone are the days of the draft. If people don't check out what they are volunteering for then it sucks to be them, they should've been smarter than that. I did my homework before I signed up many moons ago. I was well aware of what I was getting into. Maybe the problem isn't with the regs and the standards as they are, maybe it's with people not arming themselves with knowledge before they make a major life-altering decisions.
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HELL NO!!! You join the army you submit to the regulation and the UCMJ. I'm sick of this crap. We always back down to people because of their whines and gripes. You want to be in the military then conform or get the hell out of my Army.
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COL Ted Mc
Sergeant- You ask "Seriously. What does that have anything to do with this?".
OK, let me explain. Way back in the dim distant past of the 1940s "Blacks" were not allowed to serve in combat positions because they were "different" and "weren't capable of withstanding the stresses" and "allowing them to serve would cause moral and unit cohesion problems".
Those "Blacks" didn't want to "follow the rules" that they "knew all about when they joined" and had the rules changed.
Tell me, exactly what sort of a force would 1ID be able to field if we enforced "The Rules" the way that they were back in the 1940s and didn't let "Blacks" into the combat arms?
PS - Did you know that the rule against allowing "Blacks" into the combat arms totally ignored the historical facts that "Blacks" had been serving in the American military since the Revolutionary War (and actually volunteered to serve in the Continental Army at a higher percentage rate than "Whites" did).
PPS - Did you know that the American government was MUCH better at fulfilling the promises that it made to "Whites" who had served in the Continental Army than it was at fulfilling those same promises if the veteran was "Black".
OK, let me explain. Way back in the dim distant past of the 1940s "Blacks" were not allowed to serve in combat positions because they were "different" and "weren't capable of withstanding the stresses" and "allowing them to serve would cause moral and unit cohesion problems".
Those "Blacks" didn't want to "follow the rules" that they "knew all about when they joined" and had the rules changed.
Tell me, exactly what sort of a force would 1ID be able to field if we enforced "The Rules" the way that they were back in the 1940s and didn't let "Blacks" into the combat arms?
PS - Did you know that the rule against allowing "Blacks" into the combat arms totally ignored the historical facts that "Blacks" had been serving in the American military since the Revolutionary War (and actually volunteered to serve in the Continental Army at a higher percentage rate than "Whites" did).
PPS - Did you know that the American government was MUCH better at fulfilling the promises that it made to "Whites" who had served in the Continental Army than it was at fulfilling those same promises if the veteran was "Black".
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Absolutely not. You conform to the military, not the other way around. They have not allowed people who are Jewish to grow beards, so why should any other group be allowed special treatment. As a Christian, I'm not allowed to display my cross when worn around my neck either. If you want to allow beards, then change it to were everyone can have a beard if desired.
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The most ridiculous thing I have ever heard . I hope and pray that we don't bend a knee to this mockery
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If you cannot change from civilian to soldier then stay a civilian and wear what ever you please
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SSG James Lopez
I totally agree or they need to go back to their county....If we were in their country, we would have to go by their rules.....
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COL Ted Mc
SSG James Lopez Staff, you say "I totally agree or they need to go back to their county. ..." but I wonder if that includes those Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Jains, Jews, Buddhists, Doukhobors, Mennonites, and __[fill in the blank]__s who were actually born in the United States of America?
You also say "If we were in their country, we would have to go by their rules." and you are perfectly correct. If you were in India, wee a Christian, and joined the Indian Army you WOULD NOT be required to grow a beard, refrain from having your hair cut, or wear a turban (unless the turban was the official headgear of your unit).
If you were a Muslim in Israel, you would NOT be required to serve in the Israeli military.
If you were NOT a Muslim in traditionally Muslim countries you would NOT be required to serve in that country's military.
You also say "If we were in their country, we would have to go by their rules." and you are perfectly correct. If you were in India, wee a Christian, and joined the Indian Army you WOULD NOT be required to grow a beard, refrain from having your hair cut, or wear a turban (unless the turban was the official headgear of your unit).
If you were a Muslim in Israel, you would NOT be required to serve in the Israeli military.
If you were NOT a Muslim in traditionally Muslim countries you would NOT be required to serve in that country's military.
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Well since all these changes came out about the females hairstyle, nails etc i guess everybody wants there stuff changed too!! LOL
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Let the Racism flow through you my "Battle Buddies" you know the one serving is Sikh which is a far more peaceful religion than even Christianity, on which the USA was founded?
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There isn't anything wrong with growing a beard you sissies... Turbans, we might need to talk about though...
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Joining the Armed Forces is a voluntary choice, so why should we change our regulations to meet their standards? People wanting to join the military should be rising to our standards.
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There is a simple solution to this problem. Take them into the tear gas chamber with a mask and see how well the get their mask to seal after you pop the gas. Then ask them what would happen if this was a biological weapon and not tear gas.
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Correct me iffen I is wrong. But once you sign your name on the dotted line, you become "property of the military" and lose the right for various types of individuality.
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Sux to be them!
Personally, I hate shaving, but while I was in the military, I shaved, got razor burn, and went on with my day. And yes tear gas and a fresh shave burns like hell.
Personally, I hate shaving, but while I was in the military, I shaved, got razor burn, and went on with my day. And yes tear gas and a fresh shave burns like hell.
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And I demand the military let me BLAZE IT ERRYDAY 420 420 CAUSE RASTAFARI MAN...
Seriously, how ridiculous is this PC crap going to get?
Seriously, how ridiculous is this PC crap going to get?
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The Turban and other clothing I can understand because it is something that is changed with ease. The Military has already made exceptions for Kippah or Yarmulke, so no big deal there. I, personal, have often wished I had the choice to either wear head gear or not as I am not real a "hat person".
The beard is another issue, I understand it is required by their tenants, but there are reasons I'm sure every service member know that prevent us from wearing beards. They are good reasons and important for our safety, sometimes the Military must even protect us from ourselves.
The beard is another issue, I understand it is required by their tenants, but there are reasons I'm sure every service member know that prevent us from wearing beards. They are good reasons and important for our safety, sometimes the Military must even protect us from ourselves.
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