Posted on Sep 24, 2020
My chain of command just announced that they're going to inspect on and off-post housing. What are they allow to inspect?
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So my question is can they order me open up my kid's room if my son and daughter are in their rooms, or if my dogs are in one of the rooms behind a closed door because of not being friendly to strangers can they order me to open. I apologize for such a naive question, I just have never experienced this before. Is there anything I can reference about off post house inspection by the chain of command.
Posted 5 y ago
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I can understand "Health & Welfare" checks for specific individual circumstances, but home inspection brings to mind intrusiveness into your home life. In the barracks and maybe on post housing you might be required to submit , but off post, I don't think so!
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Will for one if you are a tenant and paying rent / mortgage then they have no right to inspect your dwelling at will unless it is upon your approval and that you will be there. If they want to inspect then it must be in common areas and not private areas. The inspection is only for Health, Welfare, safety, and nothing more or less.
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SSG Bob Teachout
I was looking at an apt once - I notice there was a lock on the basement door. He said that he could come to get to the basement.. Yea, right - Thanks - but no thanks.
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I would skip up your CoC and ask the Battalion Commander what he/she thinks of all this.
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Wow that’s out there. If the quarters are military leased quarters I would think housing can arrange inspections of the buildings. Perhaps CID and the FBI are checking for BHA fraud or other criminal stuff but they need to get a warrant.
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I am sorry i truly am. I find it unbelievable that a SSG. in the United States Army has never had the chance to attend a health and or receive a health and welfare check. That just totally amazed me.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
I am surprised the a SFC has never heard of the 4th Amendment or the term unlawful search
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SFC Robert Walton
@ 1stSgt Nelson Kerr @LTC Eugene Kerr a Health and wefare check done correctly has no affect on the 4th Amendment.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
SFC, I live off post and this entire matter has been dealt with years ago I truly do not appreciate you saying it that way. Seems like you are insulting my intelligence. Every senior that came here to comment came with good intention; it seems like you came differently. Please it was just a simple question, did you ever happen to think that majority of my career in the US Army I might have been single, and this might have been the first time I might have experienced this. OR maybe I came from another component. Also, I have participated in health and welfare checks either inspecting or when I was junior enlisted getting inspected. Please next time don't comment if you're going to come at me this way.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
1stSgt Nelson Kerr - Apparently, he's not up to date what is allowed. Possibly in the in the 80s and 90s was different but now it's a bit different. At times I don't come on here often but today was browsing through my notifications and seen this. It really bothers me when someone insults my intelligence.
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Your NCO's should be allowed to inspect your housing conditions whether it be on or off post. As a young E-4 I had the displeasure of walking into a fellow E-4's on post living quarters who had gone home on leave. The stench was overwhelming, but not the worst of it. He had left a few kittens to roam freely while he was gone for 2 weeks leave....no food or water, and they were pooping everywhere! It's a NCO's job to make sure our Soldiers aren't living in conditions like this, but the reason why the chain of command should go is som that other Soldiers aren't covering for those who are! And that's all AFTER they make sure your house is worth living in...
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SSG Michel Smith
Well, maybe I was lied to by my own Chain of Command when I was told that I wasn't allowed to voice my political opinions. Or maybe it was when I was expressly told that if my NCOs in my Chain of Command wanted me to have a relationship they would issue me a wife. I can tell you honestly that while I was married anytime my NCOs wanted to inspect my on post living quarters, or my barracks when I was stationed in Korea, I didn't have a choice. None. And it was always a surprise inspection. No reason because they didn't need any. And I was expected to have it reasonably clean at all times. Maybe it was just a different time, but I only retired in 2015.......
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SSG Michel Smith
Well, no one was saying I had a choice and I'd bet my retirement check there are plenty more like me being told they don't have a choice. I'm glad it's finally being said and I hope eventually that all will know AS they come into the military, and not like me finding out almost 8 years after I retired. But I already know there are other things the military hasn't started mentioning yet and they should be. I'll begin a new post and mention some.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
To my personal experience, I go back all the way to 1998 been in and out of the active-duty component three times/eras and I guess I had good guidance because many NCOs didn't lie to married Soldiers, I came on here to verify what I had been told in the past that I don't have to let anyone into my off post home and don't have to let them into the kids room while the kids are in there. Also, my dogs are not friendly to strangers, so I was concerned for my PSG and PL to get bitten
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This is the military under Biden. Maybe they want to see if you are a right wing terrorist (conservative). So far they haven’t been too keen on supporting and defending constitutional rights. As others have said, do NOT give them permission or allow them into your home voluntarily and check with JAG sooner than later. If they just want to see if your are adequately housed, tell them you take some pictures for them... if you want to.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
SPC Henry Francis - And since this program stated * damned months ago, it has nothing at all to do with Biden or you r conspiracy theories. What part of Trump being President then is too hard for you to grasp. you lied, or you did not bother to read the OP and made s*** up, Both get a downvote.
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SPC Henry Francis
1stSgt Nelson Kerr you are doing EXACTLY what you FALSELY claim I have done. Typical hot head NCO.
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