Posted on Jun 22, 2020
My squad leader setting me up for failure and pushing me for article 15 right . She never communicates with me and tell me things at last ?
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As a specialist , is pointing out my squad leader duties and not communicating with me properly is wrong .. and telling her that according to NCO creed she set me up for failure .. is that disrespecting her ..? . And I was on the detail for sometime and one day I reported my detail ncoic saying I will and will be on phone if I’m emergency and he was aware and was ok about me . Here at my company my squad leader got mad and recommended me article 15 for not repeating her . Which no counciling said I have to report to her everyday . I am trying to explain them that the ncoic of the detail was aware and gave me ok .
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
I couldn’t figure it out either. 15s are serious, most things can be handled at or below the Company Gunny level.
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Squad leaders can’t give UCMJ only a commander can. I can recommend you for the Medal of Honor but without supporting documentation it will go nowhere, and the same applies to UCMJ.
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" - Here is an SMA coin for you. I have one, so you may as well have one, too.
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" - Yea, I had received it from SMA (RET) Tilley at LRMC back in '01
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Not gonna lie, I had some difficulty understanding your post, as a lot of your wording is incorrect or misplaced, but if I have the overall gist of your issue:
Your Squad Leader expected a report from you every day, without any form of counseling to inform you of this obligation. Due to your lack of report (borne of ignorance to the expectation), she is recommending you for an Article 15. You feel slighted because you believe you were set up for failure, in that you're potentially going to be punished for something you were completely unaware of.
This can be a sticky situation. Because ultimately, the SL can say the verbally counselled you on daily reporting amd it comes down to you word against hers. And that's a fight you lose 99.99% of the time. However, if you request counsel from your Platoon Sergeant, and as that they mediate the miscommunication, the NJP can be waived or suspended, pe ding the out one of mediation.
Are you wrong for calling her out? That depends on the manner in which you did. If you dimed her out in front of your peers, or other junior soldiers, you're wrong any way you look at it. If you pulled her aside and chastised her, you're still wrong. But if you pulled her aside, offline, and asked about her directive because you were unsure or uncomfortable with your understanding, and vaguely described where you believe she fell short, then you handled it properly. However, the inherent drawback to correcting an NCO at our level is that they can take it personal amd seek out ways to make your life hell, such as the situation you are currently in.
Also, as a side note, if you PSG refuses, you have the option of the open-door policy with the Company 1SG, or --in their absence-- the Company Commander. Just be mindful of your customs amd courtesies and be tactful when addressing it with the upper echelons, as you're already on thin ice and fighting an uphill battle.
Your Squad Leader expected a report from you every day, without any form of counseling to inform you of this obligation. Due to your lack of report (borne of ignorance to the expectation), she is recommending you for an Article 15. You feel slighted because you believe you were set up for failure, in that you're potentially going to be punished for something you were completely unaware of.
This can be a sticky situation. Because ultimately, the SL can say the verbally counselled you on daily reporting amd it comes down to you word against hers. And that's a fight you lose 99.99% of the time. However, if you request counsel from your Platoon Sergeant, and as that they mediate the miscommunication, the NJP can be waived or suspended, pe ding the out one of mediation.
Are you wrong for calling her out? That depends on the manner in which you did. If you dimed her out in front of your peers, or other junior soldiers, you're wrong any way you look at it. If you pulled her aside and chastised her, you're still wrong. But if you pulled her aside, offline, and asked about her directive because you were unsure or uncomfortable with your understanding, and vaguely described where you believe she fell short, then you handled it properly. However, the inherent drawback to correcting an NCO at our level is that they can take it personal amd seek out ways to make your life hell, such as the situation you are currently in.
Also, as a side note, if you PSG refuses, you have the option of the open-door policy with the Company 1SG, or --in their absence-- the Company Commander. Just be mindful of your customs amd courtesies and be tactful when addressing it with the upper echelons, as you're already on thin ice and fighting an uphill battle.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
SGT Justin Brothen - I believe that is "Tactful" not tactical. Being Tactful is telling someone to kiss your ass and having them smile, thank you and walk away humming a tune, while being Tactical would be putting a Claymore under their desk....And YOU walking away smiling and humming a a tune...
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SSG Roger Ayscue that's the greatest explanation I've ever heard. I'm stealing that
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Sgt Dale Briggs
I don’t know that was tough to understand, but your squad leader carries more weight with SR NCOs. In our system they report to a SSGT, who reports to the Company Gunny, and that pretty much is your world, the LT was always out fooling about anyways. If your in trouble with your squad leader it’s likely a you problem. If he was lacking in skills the Plt Sgt and or Gunny would fix it, but starting anything does start with your direct supervisor more than likely as he’s with you more than the others. He/she certainly has the power to make life suck for you, and before you start critiquing leadership you’d best have your shit in one bag first and then be dead right, and be able to prove it. Saying your Sgt set you up would be malicious intent on their part, and that’s a serious charge to lay on anyone as well.
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