National Guard NCOs, how do we fix our APFT numbers? We can not force soldiers to PT outside of IDT status. How can we fix it?

Have Been Active Duty 12years 9 as an NCO and 8 NG. What many of you do not understand is. NG does not work like AD. Although the Majority of NCOs I knew in the NG were Prior Active Duty Soldier, Many were never AD NCOs. Many of the Officers in NG will not allow the SMs to be chaptered due to PT, they would loose more than they can Recruit. It is a systematic Problem that would have to be fixed from the TOP down. As an NCO if grading PT test as I did in Active Duty, Many including Senior NCOs and Officers would never pass with half push-ups!! Lmao. Yes I get it, Have been an NCO both active and NG. There is no comparisson. However the NG has its purpose and it isn't all geared to title 10. If they do not deploy and take up allot of the workload, then only the Active Duty soldier would have to do it all. Having done Both as an Infantry NCO. I can tip my hat to many of our Citizen Soldiers. They have Careers other than Mil. And still go out and preform their duties. Both AD Soldiers as well as NG and reserve have their bad apples. Overall, can't really Knock these guys leaving their careers that pay much more than a soldiers pay to do their Part. I saw NG NCOs getting Double Pay from their Civilian Jobs along with their AD pay while Deployed, Manning OPs and conducting daily patrols in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Makes one think it is all a Re-enlistment Ploy by AD to retain Soldiers when a NG Soldier is task with some of the Same Task and making twice the Pay down Range. If I only Knew what I know first hand now, Maybe I would have served 4 AD and the Rest in the NG. Lmao

National Guard needs numbers, numbers drive whether Guard Bureau gets funding for the states, numbers influence how a unit will perform, mos training hurts, morale suffers. It would be as simple to perform or get put out. I’ve seen the how can that person still be in the Guard? Recruiting and Deployments along with soft basic training and AIT rules today’s kids want to be treated as adults when they still act like 5 yr olds. I’m in favor of you have to do four years active before you can be in the Guard, so you get a taste of not living at home, having to depend upon yourself and team, you cannot go out and party and expect to perform the next day, team cohesion and earn and build respect.

Ok, self motivation is a big thing, but another thing to look at here is some of these soldiers may work hard manual labor jobs or long hours everyday and don't feel like being a gym bunny in the evenings! Think about that, the ones behind the desk or in charge of the platoon! Another thing is the guard has problems with numbers, so they will never get rid of to many people to keep strength totals!

I am 57yo E8 in Alabama ANG. I am also a PT Leader and scored a 98/100 on my last PT test in October. I had younger Airmen trying to keep up with me on the run...
It is a matter of willpower and desire for the younger generation of they expect to advance in grade, or remain in uniform. We have separated people for failing PT, and promotions are not automatic.

I know I'm "Old Guard", many years ago the Chief of the National Guard, said.
"In the National Guard, physical fitness is an INDIVIDUAL responsibility ". The A.G. & D.C. of the INARNG denied everything, i.e. promotions, schools, etc.unless the Soldier in question passed. Plus drug free, and had qualified with their personal weapon.

Give them a place to work out and incenntivise.

Every one of these answers are ludicrous. Everyone of you are failures as leaders. I did my time in the reserves, and I saw the level of leadership and quality of soldiers. I could go on a rant, but come at me individually and I WILL change you're mind.

I do not think the army should hold the guards and reservists to the same PT standards if they don’t pass just don’t promote or let them go to schools in times of war you need bodies to fight if you’re really worried about them passing then put them on active duty for 90 days and make them run every day then they will pass

A lot of people here have some serious problems as leaders. We have a serious problem coming up. First, the new PT test is going to take a lot more time to prepare for, time that is very precious to our Guard and Reserve soldiers. Second, the new retirement system is going to allow a lot of people to bail on the Army without losing anything. So if the Army goes the route of negative motivation, a lot of people are going to be perfectly happy to ETS or take the paperwork and get chaptered out, because it won't hurt them at all.
Maybe we should focus on making sure awards get processed in a timely fashion and paychecks get paid on time. Maybe bonuses should get paid and people should get positive, supportive leadership with opportunities for advancement and achievement and make sure soldiers' time outside drill isn't wasted on pointless minutiae and administrative BS. That would be a starting point.

Incentive PT program was established after identifying soldiers who were weak in pt. Then a t timetable was established through progression. With emphasis on the importance of passing for future promotions. At the same time encouraging the soldier of how important it is to stay in shape both mentally and physically. My unit would give awards for passing of the test as an incentive even though it's requirement. For motivation purposes. A certificate from the CO. At the same time, counseling and progression are important.