Posted on Nov 20, 2017
National Guard NCOs, how do we fix our APFT numbers? We can not force soldiers to PT outside of IDT status. How can we fix it?
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There is only one fix I can think of that might actually work. I know it may go against some liberal logic as well as some conventional “old school” Army thinking, but here goes. For guard and reservists, the Army should offer to reimburse fees for gym memberships. Now, I know, I know, the neigh sayers out there will chime in with “they should have the discipline to get there asses up and do the bend and reach!”; however, in reality most active component Soldiers are forced to go to morning, and they are provided one or more very nice workout facilities free of charge. I personally struggled with this as a Junior enlisted and yes toughed it out and passed every APFT. The Army does not pay Junior enlisted enough to justify purchasing their own equipment or a gym membership. If you just pay joe more, he’ll just drink more beer (decline on performance follows). So, if you reimburse the gym fees, you will see a concience effort from them and they will have absolutely no excuse to fail. Afterall, you can always pump up their egos with beach muscle remarks for motivation.
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MSG William Hesser
Making arrangements for a gym membership is a good idea but should be coordinated with the gym for all the members in the unit. Some form of group package.. Problem is, many of the members in my unit lived all over the state and some in the state north of the state the unit was in, so It wouldn't really work if your guard/reserve usit is in the same situation.
In the unit I was in, we had to do our own PT and were subject to a APT test every drill and if we couldn't pass, we were pulled off jump status. We didn't always do the APT every drill but had to be ready just in case.
So if your unit wasn't Airborne SF like we were, then loss of a MUTA for not being able to pass the APT test.
In the unit I was in, we had to do our own PT and were subject to a APT test every drill and if we couldn't pass, we were pulled off jump status. We didn't always do the APT every drill but had to be ready just in case.
So if your unit wasn't Airborne SF like we were, then loss of a MUTA for not being able to pass the APT test.
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https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/30/army-suspends-transition-new-combat-fitness-test-amid-gym-closures.html
I guess the Big Army just proved my point without a doubt. If they can’t perform this test without the ability to utilize free on post fitness facilities, then why should the reserves and guard be required to perform this test without access to proper equipment? Afterall, your a Soldier. “Do it at home, you don’t need a gym membership, or special equipment to be successful!” Uh huh....
I guess the Big Army just proved my point without a doubt. If they can’t perform this test without the ability to utilize free on post fitness facilities, then why should the reserves and guard be required to perform this test without access to proper equipment? Afterall, your a Soldier. “Do it at home, you don’t need a gym membership, or special equipment to be successful!” Uh huh....
Army Suspends Transition to New Combat Fitness Test Amid Gym Closures
The U.S. Army has suspended its plan to have all soldiers begin taking the new Army Combat Fitness Test in October.
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SGT Beth Day
This is an old post, but it's an issue I struggled with in the NG ... and I know many others do as well.
First, let's point out that on active duty, for most, mandatory PT is part of the duty day. Additionally, on every military base I've seen, there have been gyms available for free for additional training. The military (at least the Army) also has trainers.
Reserve component soldiers are expected to keep the same standards as active duty soldiers, but without the support ... by group PT, training by professional NCOs, and/or access to facilities.
I think there are a few ways to help.
#1 Put gym equipment into the armory/reserve center and make available to troops ... 24/7 if possible.
#2 For those living outside of a reasonable area around the armory, reimburse gym memberships. If necessary, tie it to attendance or PT scores.
#3 If troops don't have a gym in their town (I didn't for many years), reimburse basic training equipment (or provide it).
#4 Provide access to online training. Be it military or civilian.
First, let's point out that on active duty, for most, mandatory PT is part of the duty day. Additionally, on every military base I've seen, there have been gyms available for free for additional training. The military (at least the Army) also has trainers.
Reserve component soldiers are expected to keep the same standards as active duty soldiers, but without the support ... by group PT, training by professional NCOs, and/or access to facilities.
I think there are a few ways to help.
#1 Put gym equipment into the armory/reserve center and make available to troops ... 24/7 if possible.
#2 For those living outside of a reasonable area around the armory, reimburse gym memberships. If necessary, tie it to attendance or PT scores.
#3 If troops don't have a gym in their town (I didn't for many years), reimburse basic training equipment (or provide it).
#4 Provide access to online training. Be it military or civilian.
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Sorry I do not understand. If ur in the military, any branch part of ur job is to be in good enough shape to pass the same PT test and the Active duty people. After all war is was they they do not ask if ur NG, AR, or AA or Marines ahead of time and tell u that u get to pass cause ur not a FT soldier.
To me its this simple. U do not pass the PT test u do not go on any list for promotions and are taken off of any list for promotions until u do.
And CW I was one of those that competed while I was in the Army so I was in better shape just because and because I had a little athletic talent. I ran 5-7 days a week and lifted 3-5 days a week year round. So the PT test was a joke to me. Saying that I know at least half of the guys had a hard time passing at least one part of the test.
So the 2nd thing I can say is u do not need to have a gym membership or buy a weight set to lift. I have a 9:10 two mile time and several 1-2 medals from wrestling that said what I did worked. But then I bought books on the subjects.
3rd is down right scare tactics and that is. If ur not in shape u still go to war, period. Being in shape gives u a better chance of making it back home Alive.
I suppose there is some stupid person in a chain of command somewhere that says I could not do any of this to compel exercise. Next would be U do not pass the test. U get one more chance in 30 days to pass it. If u pass u get put on a list that if u do not pass in the future ur gone. If u do not pass U gone. Only thing that keeps u in is if ur deployed and then that kind of attitude gets u put on as the perm. point person.
Oh and I grew up in a military family. These Quitters would be the trash that back in the day when My dad was in Nam. These kind like to start fights just cause of my dad's job. I got very little time for them.
To me its this simple. U do not pass the PT test u do not go on any list for promotions and are taken off of any list for promotions until u do.
And CW I was one of those that competed while I was in the Army so I was in better shape just because and because I had a little athletic talent. I ran 5-7 days a week and lifted 3-5 days a week year round. So the PT test was a joke to me. Saying that I know at least half of the guys had a hard time passing at least one part of the test.
So the 2nd thing I can say is u do not need to have a gym membership or buy a weight set to lift. I have a 9:10 two mile time and several 1-2 medals from wrestling that said what I did worked. But then I bought books on the subjects.
3rd is down right scare tactics and that is. If ur not in shape u still go to war, period. Being in shape gives u a better chance of making it back home Alive.
I suppose there is some stupid person in a chain of command somewhere that says I could not do any of this to compel exercise. Next would be U do not pass the test. U get one more chance in 30 days to pass it. If u pass u get put on a list that if u do not pass in the future ur gone. If u do not pass U gone. Only thing that keeps u in is if ur deployed and then that kind of attitude gets u put on as the perm. point person.
Oh and I grew up in a military family. These Quitters would be the trash that back in the day when My dad was in Nam. These kind like to start fights just cause of my dad's job. I got very little time for them.
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That's an easy one. You give them a record PT test. If they fail it they get counseled and are given a PT plan. If they fail again you start to separate them. If a soldier doesn't care enough about maintaining this level of fitness then who knows what else he won't care about. I have a feeling he will be sub standard in another area, if not two or three. Why would a leader want a soldier like this in their unit. I was in the Guard for a while. I have seen this before and these soldiers aren't your top performers.
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SSG John Heresz facts choose to join but don't want to follow the rules then you get out by mules.
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SPC Calvin Gross no forget that. This is the army reserves a big part of big army. Better to get them out now or pay for it later. I'm guessing you're one whose willing to pay for it later on a deployment. Stupid is what stupid does.
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SSG Grant Hansen it doesn't matter if you're not infantry. That's like saying you will not have to physical fight someone to the death. If that's the case then why do all army personnel go through the same training during boot camp. Why are these so call no combat soldiers carrying a M4 why do that even go to the range to practice shooting and positions? Why even have a APFT of members aren't going to fellow the regulation for it?
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SFC (Join to see) The right thing to do is sperate soldiers who can't or refuse to comply with the physical standards after you have worked with them for a little bit or any other standards not mention.
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You really can't, they are either self motivated or not, you can add additional PT at the end of the drill schedule but really doing this two days a month really does not improve scores, or you can just start doing paper work and put out the ones who can't pass after a while and hope the new recruit is more motivated. Trust me, 23 year in the reserves, did not join until age 32, so I had to stay on top of it even more, plus I am a large guy, 6'3" 250 which means I had to be taped every time as well. But I always managed to pass my PT test and tape.
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SGT Michael Neese
I am the same height and weight as this man.
Sure! I could knock out my 100 Pushups and 100 hundred Sit-ups.
It was the two mile run that killed me!
I was a 1st Armored Division Tank Commander and we rode to work.
I think that our young 1st Lieutenant has some odd ideas on how Combat Troops operate.
Look, Kid. After you jump and hit the dirt?
Your just a Grunt to me and can accomplish very little on your lonesome.
We in the Army operate as a combined arms team. That means Respect.
Sure, I will allow you to ride on the back of my Tank as long as you behave.
You won’t last 5 hours without me.
Not sure you would last 10 hours with me, but I will not disrespect you, or ever leave you on the field.
Show us some God Damn respect.
Sure! I could knock out my 100 Pushups and 100 hundred Sit-ups.
It was the two mile run that killed me!
I was a 1st Armored Division Tank Commander and we rode to work.
I think that our young 1st Lieutenant has some odd ideas on how Combat Troops operate.
Look, Kid. After you jump and hit the dirt?
Your just a Grunt to me and can accomplish very little on your lonesome.
We in the Army operate as a combined arms team. That means Respect.
Sure, I will allow you to ride on the back of my Tank as long as you behave.
You won’t last 5 hours without me.
Not sure you would last 10 hours with me, but I will not disrespect you, or ever leave you on the field.
Show us some God Damn respect.
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SGT Michael Neese
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Michael Neese
Tank Commander, A-15, 1st Platoon, Alpha Company, 3rd Battalion, 35th Armored Regiment, 3rd “Bulldog” Brigade, 1st Armored “Old Ironsides” Division.
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Michael Neese
Tank Commander, A-15, 1st Platoon, Alpha Company, 3rd Battalion, 35th Armored Regiment, 3rd “Bulldog” Brigade, 1st Armored “Old Ironsides” Division.
11E40 Armored Crewman
31B Field Radio Mechanic
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SSG Paul Headlee
The guy in the bunk next to mine (open bay, platoon strength 54) in basic training was 34 years old. He was chubby and had about zero interest in being a buffed dude. The training schedule and p.t. requirements were very hard on him. He wanted to make it though and that's the difference. Another guy, years later in 7th I.D. (L) didn't want to be a soldier anymore. He got on the fat man program sometime before Christmas '90. After the 2 week Christmas training schedule break and block leave he returned weighing an additional 23 pounds. He was chaptered. Some of us would, after doing platoon or company p.t. in the morning, do additional p.t. in the evening. So there ya go. Some of us have the desire and wind up exceeding the standard (on a lot of things) and some can't cope with the minimum. Its like America: love it or leave it. Personally, I could always seem to lift more weight when there were nice looking ladies around. Probably just a coincidence. If soldiers will not motivate themselves to do what soldiers do and just won't get with the program they are a liability to readiness and shouldn't be allowed to masquerade as soldiers. If there are extenuating circumstances like illness or injury they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Pay for gym memberships? We did p.t. in the field too. Floor exercises are free.
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