Posted on Nov 20, 2017
National Guard NCOs, how do we fix our APFT numbers? We can not force soldiers to PT outside of IDT status. How can we fix it?
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Kick them out if they can not get their lazy asses up like active duty soldiers do to make sure they can pass the Standards they signed up for.
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We all know that or at least I was told that PT is the individuals responsibility. They are given guidance and should be able to follow it. Yes its hard to enforce the standard while they are not at drill or annual training but here is what we did when i was the readiness nco. We made the Soldiers take a APFT after returning from AIT and if they scored high and not just barley passing they were good for three months and took a diagnostic one and if they scored way lower or failed they would take one every month as long as it was over 30 days in between until they passed and it also showed them to be responsible to stay ready.
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Offer incentives just like the medical field. Fit soldiers not only perform to higher standard, but are mentally more fit.
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You sure can force them to do PT - separate them if they don't pass the test. This is a volunteer Army and they signed a contract - the standards are clear.
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Let's see, when SMA Tilley decided we needed to start wearing stupid berets, the guard and reserve weren't issued those for at least a year or two later. But we still got the ass chewings when we went to AT by self-righteous AD members wanting to do their on the spot corrections.
Our equipment would sit broken and deadlined, we went without because we were low priority. I left AD and went into the Reserves because I felt I should. I had the same attitude as most of you, at first. Then it hit me, the Army wasn't paying my mortgage, bills, or feeding me or my family. I was working 50/60 hours a week and PT was really low on my list of priorities. My job paid more than LTC pay at the time. I was good at my job, and I can tell you, the Army needed me a hell of a lot more than I needed it. My threshold for B/S was pretty low. So, if the Army wants to start treating NG and Reserves like AD, then they need to start paying them the same, give them the same health and education benefits, maintain equipment at the same level, ensure they have the same gear without waiting for a year, and give them the same retirement package. You can't have an Army of One and "those guys over there" at the same time. Since there is a separate standard for those things, then there certainly should be a separate standard for Ht&Wt, APFT, and pretty much everything else.
Keep harassing NG and Reserve troops and they're going to "U" out. I've seen it happen for that very reason. I completed my contract, but I wasn't sticking around to be hassled.
If you're active duty, don't you dare reply unless you've been in the NG or Reserve system, because you can't know how it is to be "those guys over there".
But you guys do what you want, cause I ain't invited to the party anymore.
Our equipment would sit broken and deadlined, we went without because we were low priority. I left AD and went into the Reserves because I felt I should. I had the same attitude as most of you, at first. Then it hit me, the Army wasn't paying my mortgage, bills, or feeding me or my family. I was working 50/60 hours a week and PT was really low on my list of priorities. My job paid more than LTC pay at the time. I was good at my job, and I can tell you, the Army needed me a hell of a lot more than I needed it. My threshold for B/S was pretty low. So, if the Army wants to start treating NG and Reserves like AD, then they need to start paying them the same, give them the same health and education benefits, maintain equipment at the same level, ensure they have the same gear without waiting for a year, and give them the same retirement package. You can't have an Army of One and "those guys over there" at the same time. Since there is a separate standard for those things, then there certainly should be a separate standard for Ht&Wt, APFT, and pretty much everything else.
Keep harassing NG and Reserve troops and they're going to "U" out. I've seen it happen for that very reason. I completed my contract, but I wasn't sticking around to be hassled.
If you're active duty, don't you dare reply unless you've been in the NG or Reserve system, because you can't know how it is to be "those guys over there".
But you guys do what you want, cause I ain't invited to the party anymore.
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How about giving them an OTH if they don't get their fat arses in gear... they signed up and agreed to the standards... enforce them...
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SGT Chris Padgett
Yeah, an OTH discharge is pretty meaningless to a NG/R member. 1. They already have a honorable DD214 when they left training, and 2. Even if they didn't, what are they losing? Benefits they already don't get? NG/R members don't get crap from the VA, so that threat has no teeth.
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I was an AGR recruiter for my last 11 years. The world of recruiting and retention is a complex balancing act. The guiding principle is “Numbers run the train”. The more you recruit the more you can separate the wheat from the chaff. Recruiting new soldiers is incredibly difficult as is retaining quality soldiers. In some states where strength is low it dang near takes an act of Congress to chapter a soldier out. I don’t believe that’s the answer.
The soldier pass an APFT in order to complete IADT so they have demonstrated the ability. I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as a “part time” soldier or “weekend warrior”. The Guard makes up the bulk of the Army’s total combat force. Guard and Reserve units frequently deploy along side AD units. Because of this reality, soldiers must be physically fit. NCO’s who identify soldiers who are unable to pass an APFT have two responsibilities. First, follow all regulations in AR 7-22. Second, train. I don’t know about you but if I know there’s a real chance my unit will deploy as an NCO I’m going to make sure my soldiers come home safe because they will make sure I come home safe. If that takes getting together outside of drill weekends then so be it. Show your soldier you are invested in them and they will put forth maximum effort. Remember your soldiers are a direct reflection of you. Leadership is a privilege not a right and it comes with a lot of responsibility.
The soldier pass an APFT in order to complete IADT so they have demonstrated the ability. I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as a “part time” soldier or “weekend warrior”. The Guard makes up the bulk of the Army’s total combat force. Guard and Reserve units frequently deploy along side AD units. Because of this reality, soldiers must be physically fit. NCO’s who identify soldiers who are unable to pass an APFT have two responsibilities. First, follow all regulations in AR 7-22. Second, train. I don’t know about you but if I know there’s a real chance my unit will deploy as an NCO I’m going to make sure my soldiers come home safe because they will make sure I come home safe. If that takes getting together outside of drill weekends then so be it. Show your soldier you are invested in them and they will put forth maximum effort. Remember your soldiers are a direct reflection of you. Leadership is a privilege not a right and it comes with a lot of responsibility.
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Don't pay Soldiers for unsatisfactory performance. Give a APFT every Month until they pass. No pass no Cash. See ya chubby wubbie.
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Saw a couple of the answers that ranged from "Counsel and Separate" for consecutive failures, to buying gym memberships for NG and USAR Soldiers. If it's an issue now when the APFT events are so easy to train for, just wait a few years until the new improved (not) APFT with all of the requisite equipment comes online to the reserve component.
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