Posted on Sep 2, 2016
*Navy specific* I can't find an instruction on this anywhere: Are you required to render a salute to an Officer who is in civilian attire?
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"When in doubt - salute." A Senior Officer (not the CO or XO), has informed us that if a subordinate is in uniform and they see an Officer senior to their rank or pay grade, they are required to salute. Is this true? I cannot find any instruction stating this.
*Update: I found the governing document. Sailors in uniform are required to salute out of uniform Officers a super page 123.
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf
*Update: I found the governing document. Sailors in uniform are required to salute out of uniform Officers a super page 123.
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf
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From my BJM "Military salute is used when recognizing officers in civilian dress." While the officer saluted will respond with "good morning, good afternoon, or good evening" as the case may be the officer does not salute in return.
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I dealt with this on active duty. The answer is no. Generally speaking, we salute (respect/acknowledge) the rank not the individual. Without the uniform this becomes irrelevant. It doesn't not excuse one from normal courtesy i.e. "Good afternoon Captain Smith" etc. however saluting is not protocol. In fact, in certain situations, particularly when overseas, this could create a security risk in that an officer in civilian clothing on the beach may be safer remaining unidentified and a salute might put a target on them.
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No, if they are not in Uniform you can say "Good Day Sir" or "Evening Ensign" or not say anything, but you don't have to salute. Anyone who tells you different is probably an Officer.
Sea (land) Story: I walked past a Commander at NOB Norfolk who was walking along, in full uniform, staring at his Blackberry screen, I was in uniform but just strolled by, another officer behind me called out which got the Commanders attention, he called me out for not saluting, I looked at both of them and said "Well if the Commander was watching where he was going I would have saluted, but here, (I then saluted twice) take two they're small." My C.O. chewed my butt (guess someone called, ship's ball cap gave me away and there were only a few Master Chiefs who fit my description) but then he laughed and said the Commander was not setting much of an example.
Sea (land) Story: I walked past a Commander at NOB Norfolk who was walking along, in full uniform, staring at his Blackberry screen, I was in uniform but just strolled by, another officer behind me called out which got the Commanders attention, he called me out for not saluting, I looked at both of them and said "Well if the Commander was watching where he was going I would have saluted, but here, (I then saluted twice) take two they're small." My C.O. chewed my butt (guess someone called, ship's ball cap gave me away and there were only a few Master Chiefs who fit my description) but then he laughed and said the Commander was not setting much of an example.
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Wrong, you are supposed to bring your hand down to your belly button and do a proper Navel salute, at least that is what us ARMY types were told in the 70's.
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CPT Pedro Meza
MCPO Steven Smith - we used it at the bars back then, great out come which was followed by more drinking.
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I believe that it is inappropriate to salute an officer who is not in uniform unless it is part of your duties, and depending on where you are, you may be prohibited from saluting an officer in civies, or from saluting PERIOD.
I have been out for awhile now, so don't take any of this as gospel, but I do recall that saluting was covered exhaustively in the BMR and the BJM.
I have been out for awhile now, so don't take any of this as gospel, but I do recall that saluting was covered exhaustively in the BMR and the BJM.
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What I found is the same thing that PO2 Ed C found. I do disagree with the when in doubt salute. A hand salute should be returned by the person you are saluting. If they are in civilian clothes they cannot return the salute. I would greet them cordially and with respect of their rank. If they offer a hand shake, give they a firm hand shake in return.
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So we render salute when in uniform and are wearing a cover. ( that's why we don't salute inside) You do acknowledge their rank if you know it. If they are not in uniform with a uniform cover on then you do not salute.
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Well, after reading all the replies perhaps I'm in the wrong, but I don't think you do. Navy does not salute anyone not wearing cover. If however you are somewhere where everyone else are saluting uncovered officers, then you salute to. When in Rome..... (Think Army base etc.)
And finally, while I don't believe you're required to, probably not a bad idea.
And finally, while I don't believe you're required to, probably not a bad idea.
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CPO Doug Humble
Petty Officer, you are incorrect. The Navy DOES salute some folks that are not in uniform and has for centuries. I can name 3 examples right off the top of my head: The President, The Vice President and ANY SERVICE MEMBER wearing a Medal of Honor.
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Chief, thank you for the correction. You are correct. However, to be more clear I was talking in general. We are not likely to see the President or VP. (Perhaps Medal honor service member.) I was referring to who we might come in contact with on the average day.
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CPO Doug Humble
I still believe it would be courteous and a sign of respect (and that is never wrong) to honor your superiors by rendering them a salute whether in uniform or not. Respect and humility is a dying virtue in this day and age and anything you can do to give you the upper hand when it comes to getting a leg up in this world is worth the extra trouble as long as it's legal and morally right.
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I've got a copy of an Ancient Blue Jackets Manual that I traded up for with an Crappy Copy CTO3/2. I'll bet it's in there.
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