Posted on Aug 4, 2014
MAJ FAO - Southeast Asia
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I am wondering if anyone can shed light on why USMA cadets are authorized to wear the NDSM but ROTC cadets (even those who have contracted and are now eligible to UCMJ). I know that USMA cadets are considered active component and ROTC cadets are considered reservists, but reserve Soldiers are authorized the NDSM. Thanks in advance for any incite.
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CPT Irish, Major Petrarca is correct. from my recollection (even as an ROTC college student), we were not authorized the award unless we were on active duty. Scholarship was not considered active duty; perhaps if UCMJ applies that should be reconsidered. Reserve soldiers are not supposed to get such awards unless they attend Basic or other paid training. However, not everyone reads the rules. In some basic training companies you were issued the ribbon right away and never saw the medal. In others you got the ribbon on graduation day and had to find a medal later.
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LTC Richard Wasserman
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Army Regulation 600–8–22 Ch.2-10.f. Cadets of the U.S. Military Academy are eligible for the NDSM, during any of the inclusive periods listed above,
upon completion of the swearing-in ceremonies as a cadet.

I'm assuming ROTC is not included because ROTC cadets are not obligated to service until they sign their contract at the start of their junior year and never fall under UCMJ until commissioned unlike USMA cadets
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MAJ FAO - Southeast Asia
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It is my understanding that once contracted (which can take place their Freshman, Sophomore, or Junior year, depending on their contract and whether or not they are scholarship recipients) they do fall under UCMJ and incur a service obligation when they sign on the dotted line.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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USMA cadets can wear it as they are on active duty while they are enrolled in the Academy. ROTC cadets are not as they are not on active duty until the commission and are brought on with AD orders.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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in my day MAJ (Join to see) , and things may be different now, scholarships are forfeited and paid back if the individual does not contract. Contracting could only happen in the junior year regardless of prior service or scholarship. This was the source I found when I answered your post:

http://www.ucmj.us/about-the-ucmj

"Cadets and midshipmen at the United States Military Academy, United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy, United States Merchant Marine Academy, and United States Coast Guard Academy are also subject to the UCMJ. On the other hand, Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC) cadets and midshipmen are by law exempt from the UCMJ (even while on active duty for training such as CTLT, LTC, LDAC, or while attending various training schools such as Airborne School, Air Assault School, Mountain Warfare School, etc.)."
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MAJ FAO - Southeast Asia
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Well, that answers that. Thanks.
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My understanding is that while in ROTC we did qualify for it because we were in the IRR. It is only authorized for Active Reservists, either TR/IMA or AGR. It looks like if someone fails to complete 90 days of continued service it can be revoked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Service_Medal


When I was in AFROTC prior service were not allowed to wear any of their actual mil awards or AFSC bagdes until they commissioned. In ROTC we earned our own ribbons. We had our own marksmanship ribbon, that would become the official AF one during commissioning. In fact the only AD device that was allowed was jump wings if someone went to Army Airborne or USAFA free fall.
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