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I wonder how this may effect regulations.
The Pentagon is planning to relax its rules governing the religious clothing, facial hair and hairstyles that troops can wear while in uniform, a senior Defense official told Fox News.
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We need to stop caving into the media and society and remind people that we are a profession of arms and there are reasons why we do what we do. When people come to join the military they need to be made fully aware that they will be required to adhere to military standards of appearance. No one is forced to join and therefore they must decide what's more important. We will accept anyone from any religion and even atheists and agnostics but they must adhere to our standards or not join. I see this issue being turned into a giant mess and the military especially my Army starting to look more like a civilian corporation in uniform than a proud military force.
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SGT Richard H.
EVERYONE is already made aware of this:
"....I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice"
"....I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice"
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MSG Donald Dike
Standards are standards! The CSM should be charged formally after the 2nd warning/correction.
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Oh my goodness. I'm not exactly the strictest NCO around but it's hard enough distinguishing what's allowed and what isn't. Now they want it even more ambiguous!
Sigh...well I just hope they apply it fairly to include atheists and Christians.
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Sounds good to me I am going to get my Tags to reflect a new religion so I can look like a deployed SF soldier. <<<---- That's a joke just incase someone thinks otherwise.
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SSG Williams,<br><br>I believe that Pastafarians will be authorized to wear strainers on their heads, according to Power Point Ranger, LOL!<br><br>
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SGT (Join to see) - I was going to point that out since that prank religion actually became a religion.
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I am ever so glad I have relieved myself from the services. Not one real combat vet among the Joint Chiefs....... No CIB's, no SEALS, just perfect attendance ribbons on them. Oh.... and the best attachment of lips to the anterior middle portion of the body of this administration award.
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LTC Jason Bartlett
We can all convert to suit our needs. Should be fun to watch. <div><br></div>
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MAJ Joseph Parker
Next up: EEO will want every unit to have at least one blind sniper. Oops, sorry. One visually challenged sniper.
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I can envision all of the different "religions" that are about to pop up so that people can game the rules to do whatever they want. The whole reason for uniformity is that it takes away the individual and replaces him/her with a stron and cohesive team. This can not end well for our military. I do recall somebody saying they wanted to "fundamentally change" our country. Well on our way aren't we?
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I don't care what religion a person has, or how they wear their hair, as long as I know they've got my back. Period.
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This is going to be ugly. I don't disagree with the reasoning behind these choices, but I feel it's going to backfire pretty quickly. The idea is NOT to discriminate against religious beliefs, but it backfires immediately. I'm not allowed to grow a beard because I'm NOT part of a religious group? And what proof do you need? Print it on your tags? I know some E4s who would have multiple sets of tags based on what hairstyle or headgear they felt like wearing.
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SGT Gary Frank
Here's a thought that the Top Brass can't seem to handle. The Military is an All Volunteer Service. If One does not want or cannot meet the standards set by the regulations, DON'T JOIN!
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This is not fair. I can't grow a beard. I haven't shaved in 2 weeks and no one has noticed.<div><br></div>
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I agree with SSG Hasbun, I was forced to shave in basic, I never had a hair in my life, now it won't stop growing.
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SFC Matthew Parker
SSG Burns,
I thought you were looking pretty raggedy, that one hair on the left side of your chin has got to be what a 1/16th of an inch.
I thought you were looking pretty raggedy, that one hair on the left side of your chin has got to be what a 1/16th of an inch.
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My whole issue with it all, is we are a all volunteer force, no one is forcing anyone to join, while I respect all religions, races, creeds, etc., it is volunteer, if you don't want to abide by the standards, don't join, if you do want to join you are required to live with the REQUIRED standards point blank.
All this PC changing of the regulations and standards is what is weakening our forces more everyday, the rules and regulations were established for a reason, it was not to be discriminatory, it was to protect the services ability to put forth the strongest and best military forces to protect our nation here and abroad.
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LTC Jason Bartlett
you make some great points and I would ask how have we kept religion out of public schools but we cant keep it out of the US Army. Or why not just allow everyone to have a beard regarless of religious affilitation.
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Unless this is on a DoD website I won't buy it. I don't get my Army news from Fox.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
Bot Fox News is so reliable, and NEVER gets caught with it's pants around its ankles =)
I have seen this elsewhere however..
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This is going to open up the flood gates. More crying and bickering about who gets to grow facial hair or who gets to wear a different head gear. This will more than likely be the beginning of more changes to AR 670-1, which is already under revision. In my own opinion I see nothing wrong with males having a well groomed beard. This shaving twice a day crap is hard on the skin and expensive. Having a beard promotes natural oils on the skin keeping it healthy, also less ingrown hairs. Which if you have ever had and then had to have removed is not pleasant.<br>
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