Posted on Oct 26, 2014
No disability pay until separations pay is recouped?
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I got my disability determination in the mail on Friday. It isn't much (20%), but the money would help a lot as I am currently STILL unemployed. The letter stated that I would not receive payment until my separation pay is recouped. This means I will see no check until 2017. This doesn't seem right at all to me and I have no idea where to begin to check this out. I don't understand what my last check from the Marine Corps has to do with the VA or a meager disability rating. Can RP help me understand what is happening and if this sounds right? I have never heard of this before.
MSG Wade Huffman , SSG V. Michelle Woods
MSG Wade Huffman , SSG V. Michelle Woods
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 11
The letter is correct. If you receive separation pay from the service, then your VA payments are 'recouped' until the two are offset. I understand that it doesn't seem right, like many other things, but there is no way around it. Sorry I can't give you better news than that.
This should have been explained during your TAP classes and again by whoever assisted you in fling your claim.
This should have been explained during your TAP classes and again by whoever assisted you in fling your claim.
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It didn't make sense to me at first either. Â The VA rep explained to me that the separation pay was in fact an "advance" on disability pay. Â I still said hogwash, but they've covered their bases.
Now if they could only put as much effort into caring for veterans as they've put into doing as little as possible... Â (At least that's the way it seems to me.)
Now if they could only put as much effort into caring for veterans as they've put into doing as little as possible... Â (At least that's the way it seems to me.)
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Sgt Jennifer Mohler, was your severance pay considered 'disability severance pay' ?
To read more about it:
Go to the link below:
http://www.benefits....MS/M21_1MR3.asp
Scroll down to :
Chapter 4 - Elections, Waivers, and Recoupments
Click on:
Section B
- Recoupment of Readjustment, Separation, and Severance Pay
DFAS Q&A:
http://www.dfas.mil/retiredmilitary/newsevents/news/separationrecoupmentfaqs.html
To read more about it:
Go to the link below:
http://www.benefits....MS/M21_1MR3.asp
Scroll down to :
Chapter 4 - Elections, Waivers, and Recoupments
Click on:
Section B
- Recoupment of Readjustment, Separation, and Severance Pay
DFAS Q&A:
http://www.dfas.mil/retiredmilitary/newsevents/news/separationrecoupmentfaqs.html
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Where do i go to check the remaining balance? DFAS? I want to know the day i finish the final payment and keep track myself. thanks
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In the last five years, the VA withheld more than $401 million in disability compensation from 24,988 veterans, with $261 million scheduled to be withheld from future benefits, according to Meagan Lutz, a spokesperson for the VA.
38 U.S.C. was written in 1943 and involuntarily separated are not receiving duplicate pay; however, U.S. Code › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part II › Chapter 59 › § 1174 does cover CONGRESS. It was amended in 1993
38 U.S.C. was written in 1943 and involuntarily separated are not receiving duplicate pay; however, U.S. Code › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part II › Chapter 59 › § 1174 does cover CONGRESS. It was amended in 1993
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What others have stated is true; VA's hands are tied as it is federal law that governs the recoupment of separation pay before VA disability is paid. Your only recourse is for your elected representatives at the federal level to change the law. Getting them to do so is up to the voting public.
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I recently received a briefing on this. I don't know how much this translates into the Marine Corps, but here's what they told me: sep pay is classified as a type of pay advance. Since the military won't get that money back through continued service, it ends up as a deficit owed by the SM. Now the Military and the VA are two separate federal entities. There is something about you can't draw pay from these two entities at the same time. So the VA pays your disability money towards your advance pay deficit from the military. I was told they try to avoid this scenario when ever possible, but since it's written into law, the VA can't do anything. It's a "letter to your congressman" type issue. The VA's answer to help soften the blow is a) discourage sep pay when ever possible and b) have the deficit paid off as soon as possible through the disability payments.
I'm not fully through the process yet. This is just information I received through mandatory briefings. Did you have a choice to take separation pay?
I'm not fully through the process yet. This is just information I received through mandatory briefings. Did you have a choice to take separation pay?
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Sgt Jennifer Mohler
Yes, and of course I took it to soften the landing into the civilian life. If I had known it would get fucked on the back end I would have begged to not get it. The loss of expected pay, much less for two years really hurts my family.
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SSG Genaro Negrete
That's rough. I wish I could do more, but I don't have the necessary knowledge base on this one. Have you tried contacting a near by Veteran's Center? Perhaps they have more resources you can tap.
http://www.va.gov/directory/guide/vetcenter.asp?isFlash=0
http://www.va.gov/directory/guide/vetcenter.asp?isFlash=0
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SSG (Join to see)
Correct SSG Genaro Negrete, but it applies to all service branches. It's covered under the DoD FMR(finance mgmt regualtion) and under the VA, 38 CFR(code of federal regulations). In a nutshell, it prevents double dipping. You can try to write your congressman but it''s congress who made it law.
Anytime a service member accepts severance pay it's based on several formulas. The moment a service member files for disability compensation claim with the VA, by law, that money must be recouped. However there are circumstances where it would not be recouped. Disability severance pay is excluded from recoupment by the VA when it is awarded for a disability incurred in a combat-zone or during the performance of duty in combat-related operations. This determination is made by the PEB as approved by USAPDA and is documented on the DA Form 199(PEB Proceedings).
Taxes will be withheld on active duty cases separating with severance pay. Procedures exist for the local servicing finance office to coordinate with DFAS-Indianapolis for refund of the taxes withheld. The request and required documentation must be received at DFAS by 31 December of the year in which the severance payment was received. In the alternative, the Soldier may seek a refund when filing their tax return.
(see IRS Publication 17 when looking to get a refund of your tax portion of your severance pay)
Anytime a service member accepts severance pay it's based on several formulas. The moment a service member files for disability compensation claim with the VA, by law, that money must be recouped. However there are circumstances where it would not be recouped. Disability severance pay is excluded from recoupment by the VA when it is awarded for a disability incurred in a combat-zone or during the performance of duty in combat-related operations. This determination is made by the PEB as approved by USAPDA and is documented on the DA Form 199(PEB Proceedings).
Taxes will be withheld on active duty cases separating with severance pay. Procedures exist for the local servicing finance office to coordinate with DFAS-Indianapolis for refund of the taxes withheld. The request and required documentation must be received at DFAS by 31 December of the year in which the severance payment was received. In the alternative, the Soldier may seek a refund when filing their tax return.
(see IRS Publication 17 when looking to get a refund of your tax portion of your severance pay)
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Oh my gosh, that is terrible! I am so sorry you're going through this but unfortunately something similar happened to my brother when he got out of the Army. He received some type of disability lump sum pay from the Army and later on was paid disability by the VA, however the Army made him pay back a portion of his disability lump sum.
Im sorry I don't have better guidance for you but hopefully one of the other leaders can shed some light on this.
Good luck sister!
Im sorry I don't have better guidance for you but hopefully one of the other leaders can shed some light on this.
Good luck sister!
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Sgt Jennifer Mohler
Thanks, I know you are usually pretty knowledgable. It wasn't a disability thing though. It was "thanks for totally qualified but we still aren't gonna keep ya".
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SSG Genaro Negrete
I'm going through the MEB process right now. The level of bureaucracy involved in processing this is mind boggling. I tried to advocate for this type of thing to be briefed in a Leader Professional Development class. There are a million ins and outs for this. The biggest thing I've heard from my Physical Evaluation Board Liaison Officer (PEBLO) is that you can't compare cases. Each is adjudicated on it's own merit.
The problem is that team leaders, squad leaders, and platoon sergeants don't often have a solid grasp of the process. Even if you have a soldier going through the system, there isn't a working knowledge of what to expect and how to navigate the system. I've been hounding my PEBLO for updates, knocking on doors and making phone calls to try to wrap my head around what is expected of me and what to expect out of this system.
Sgt Jennifer Mohler , how does the Marine Corps handle processing it's marines out of service and coordination with the VA?
The problem is that team leaders, squad leaders, and platoon sergeants don't often have a solid grasp of the process. Even if you have a soldier going through the system, there isn't a working knowledge of what to expect and how to navigate the system. I've been hounding my PEBLO for updates, knocking on doors and making phone calls to try to wrap my head around what is expected of me and what to expect out of this system.
Sgt Jennifer Mohler , how does the Marine Corps handle processing it's marines out of service and coordination with the VA?
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The same thing happened to me. I was High Tenured and received Seps Pay. It took 2 Years of retropay before I ever received my first Disability payment. I think it is a load of S#!t. One pot of money has nothing to do with the other. I was sooo pissed when I learned that I had to wait.
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