Posted on Aug 21, 2018
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I have been trying to reclassify from MOS 38B to 35G for 8 months. HRC denied my request do to not having an interim TS/SCI. My S2 says I cannot receive an interim TS/SCI due to new policy. However, retention says I must have one to reclassify. How should I move forward? I've had an interim TS since March.
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I recommend you check with what the ATRRS requirement is to attend training as well as what TRADOC 350-6 to identify what the requirement is from TRADOC. That can help point you in a better direction.
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It states for MOS 35G a interim TS/SCI is needed by week 1 of AIT. Thanks, I guess the real issue now is why can't I receive a interim SCI if that is what's required for training?
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SGT Joylynn Jackson
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A division level g2 can grant an interim sci to get someone out of that situation with a memo
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You are 100% correct, and I have recently identified via my battalion and brigade S2 that my division level G2 has stated they are not willing to do it. I was completely shocked to find out one person could've fixed this issue 6 months ago but instead has personally decided they are not willing to do it. I am completely discouraged at this point.
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SGT Joylynn Jackson
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I hope they get their head out of their ass soon and you get the help you need. Good luck!
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Update: I contacted the MI school and the S2 at the school, and they said there is no such policy that prevents me from getting an interim TS/SCI. In fact, they just had students start class who came in with interim TS/SCI. I called my Brigade S2 for some straight talk and he is saying when he acquired about my SCI, he is being shut down by the G2, and so is my Battalion S2. When I asked why, he made it sound like it sound like its more for personal preference than policy, but i haven't personally talked to anyone at G2, so i won't assume. The school house said my S2 should've submitted a request through DISS saying i require interim TS/SCI for reclass training. They said sometimes you will receive push back on the interim SCI because they want to wait until TS investigation to closed before granting SCI. The whole point of the interim is to allow for speedy transition to attend the course. I'm really trying to exhaust all my options before going to higher echelons. However, it has been 8 months, and it is the recommendation of all the S2's at this point. I'm really not sure why the hold up is at the G2 level and why they are refusing to push the interim SCI. What are your thoughts on this matter? Thanks for your help.
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SSG Warren Swan
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Keep fighting man!!! Give em hell.
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SSG Warren Swan - Thanks, i will. Hopefully its a story i look back on to help someone else through the security clearance swamp.
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No more interim TS/SCI?
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SFC (Join to see) - Everyone else can get one - Just not you. Just Kidding but here's some pertinent information you need to know
From June 2016, “In mid-August 2016, PSMO-I will no longer grant interims based on the review of the SF-86. Instead, they will wait for the results of the Advanced National Agency Check (NAC) to come back before making a decision,”
Apparently your Command has not submitted you for the A-NAC, as they should have for your MOS reclassification.
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I currently have an interim TS, i have had one since March. I would need interim TS/SCI to attend training. I'm not sure why the interim TS was granted but no SCI eligibility was granted. I will double check tomorrow to make 100% sure it was all submitted properly for training.
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thanks
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SPC David S.
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While I'm sure you have - have you tried getting in touch with the school at Ft Huachuca? I'm sure this has screwed up a number of people cued up to attend such AIT's in a number of MOS's not just Imagery Analyst.
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I will try this, I called the 35G branch manager and he wasn't exactly sure if I just needed a interim TS or a interim TS/SCI at 1st. After he asked someone else, he said he believes I need a interim TS/SCI and referred me back to my S2 for clarification. Thanks
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SPC David S.
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Seems waiting 6 months or longer to get a full TS could/would be a problem for many schools. As well I would think that in failing to get a interim clearance this would help purge the candidates not qualified - Seems Army needs to sit down with FBI to fix this.
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Thanks for your advice, it lead me on the right track. I called the school and the school house S2 a week ago and they confirm there is no such policy. My G2 is either being dishonest or is confused about this matter (and I really hesitate to say that about any professional).
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SPC David S.
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Glad you got it sorted out - I'd rather receive no support than bad info.
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SGT Peter Cachion
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I think you're screwed until the reclassification rules catch up with the security clearance rules. Interim TS/SCI is in the doghouse now because of a White House scandal in which some officials got the interim clearance but never upgraded to the regular clearance. There was a media flap. The interim clearances were disallowed, the regular clearance reviews were completed, and some people were fired for not having the necessary clearances for their Administration jobs, having flunked their review. Probably to be consistent, this change has presumably been applied government-wide, including for enlisted MOS transfers. You are now in a catch-22: You can't get the clearance until you get the new MOS. but you can't get the new MOS because you need an interim clearance which no longer exists. Eventually, there should be some bureaucratic workaround, but it will take some time. Perhaps when the personnel elves realize they're running out of 35Gs because nobody can get in.
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I would hope there is a workaround sooner than later. Are you familiar with any military policy that states this being the case?
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SPC David S.
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Sounds about right - I've ran into a couple of these "chicken or the egg" situations before. Someone usually had to type up a letter to break the cycle.
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SGT Peter Cachion
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To be honest, I don't know what the policy is for picking up a new MOS requiring a clearance at that level, and am just speculating. The news coverage of the White House flap didn't go into details other than mentioning that the policy on interim clearances had changed, for White House civilian hires, in response to the public pressure. But based on my time in military and government service, I know it's common for this stuff to roll downhill. I'll check and post here if I find out anything useful to you. Meanwhile, per SFC Kelley who clearly knows more than I, it may be just that your command didn't file a required form.
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Any updates?
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SFC Civil Affairs Nco
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Sorry for the late reply, yes I was granted the Interim TS w/ sci eligibility. After putting in a congressional.
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Thank you SSG
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I still have an interim too. I have 12 months left on my contract.
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