Posted on Apr 23, 2015
Nonsubdued Unit Patches on Army Utilities. What are your thoughts?
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With the elimination of the Dress Green Uniform nonsubdued patches and the heraldric tradition that goes with them will be further pushed from the forefront of our soldiers minds and uniforms.
I propose that whenever the nonsubdued US Flag is worn on utility uniforms that nonsubdued unit patches be worn also. When a subdued US Flag is worn then subdued unit patches be worn. This would be for both current unit and combat patches. What do you all think?
(Addded clarification as to why I propose this, added 4 May 2015)
I propose this as a less painful alternative to many other suggestions I have heard about. For example, some would have us wearing Class Bs if we were not doing something tactical. I would rather foot the bill for a colored patch and be able to launder my daily uniform at home than have to pay a hefty weekly bill for dry-cleaning of the Bs, not to mention buying more shirts and pants to last the week. I apologize for not having added this from the beginning as, IMHO, I believe it makes my suggestion a bit more reasonable.
I propose that whenever the nonsubdued US Flag is worn on utility uniforms that nonsubdued unit patches be worn also. When a subdued US Flag is worn then subdued unit patches be worn. This would be for both current unit and combat patches. What do you all think?
(Addded clarification as to why I propose this, added 4 May 2015)
I propose this as a less painful alternative to many other suggestions I have heard about. For example, some would have us wearing Class Bs if we were not doing something tactical. I would rather foot the bill for a colored patch and be able to launder my daily uniform at home than have to pay a hefty weekly bill for dry-cleaning of the Bs, not to mention buying more shirts and pants to last the week. I apologize for not having added this from the beginning as, IMHO, I believe it makes my suggestion a bit more reasonable.
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I like this idea. With the velcro it is really a non-issue changing out between subdued and non-subdued.
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While a novel idea, I think this is a good idea fairy moment gone too far. What is the cost-benefit analysis or how does this provide a great benefit to the unit? In my mind this would actually decrease efficiency, because leaders would be worried about their soldiers have the right or wrong patch for the day and not actually training.
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CW4 (Join to see)
Sir, it isn't something that would change on a daily basis. Deployed = subdued, Garrison = non-subdued.
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LTC (Join to see)
CW4 (Join to see), with daily wear uniforms that have Velcro attachments for patches I don't see the benefit of creating new Velcro patches. I also don't see the benefit when we have not worn non-subdued patches on our uniforms in this century.
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CW4 (Join to see)
The Dress Green Uniform is still in the inventory and still requires non-subdued patches. This discussion is, in part, due to the fact that it will be gone at the end of this year and with it, the heraldry that accompanied it. As for the benefit, I have detailed why I think it is a good idea, especially in lieu of other options elsewhere in this thread.
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I actually think that is a novel idea. In this case you could see the patch in color. There are now some patches that will never be a CSIB. Like the Follow Me or any of the small sustainment units that don't deploy. I doubt the units would really like this. It reminds me of the Gold Knights. They were full color patches on their jump suit.
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Heck, we already stand out in any environment other than HESCO barrier yards and gravel pits, so heck, why not?! What's a bit more flair on whats supposed to be a camouflaged uniform....
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SFC Michael Hasbun
I have no objection to us wearing B's more often. We have far too many NCO's and Officers who can't put together a decent uniform that can use the practice... Practice makes perfect.
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CW4 (Join to see)
Seeing as the Bs are typically worn without ribbons and all the other jazz, see DA PAM 670-1, page 59, paragraph 13-14e, I doubt that this would give soldiers the practice that you desire.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
When people wear it like that because they just took the jacket off, I've no objection. When people by default just don't put on any awards, it gives me a decent idea of who my lazy zebras are... If nothing else it can serve as a barometer for professionalism.. Kinda like the Green/Blue dress uniform conversion once did..
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SSG Nick Tramontano
Class B with a white shirt makes you look like a waiter and not a soldier. Also it's ridiculous for anyone that works outside to wear them. I suppose you can wear them to do work in the motor pool since it's NOT tactical !!
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