Posted on May 10, 2015
Oath Keepers. It's been said Veterans are keeping their Oaths. Will you keep your Oath after Military Service?
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Keeping your oath, while on active duty, and keeping the oath after you leave service. How important is it and will it be something that you will continue after you leave the military service? With the degradation of society and the state of civil unrest, it's important that members of society have members that can be counted on the hold the line of what is right and stand up for those who cannot defend or speak for themselves. Oath Keepers are not just police or first responders, they are common people who have taken the oath and are firmly committed to upholding it.
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I have done my best to honor my oath while I was in the military service of this nation from November 1974 through May 2008 and each day since. By the grace of God I hope to be able to honor my oath throughout the rest of my life.
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Yes, I will keep my oath... however I will not be joining any right wing groups pushing ridiculous conspiracy theories and breaking the law.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/stewart-rhodes-government-using-jade-helm-vet-military-politicians-future-takeover
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/oath-keepers-group-battered-by-members-
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/stewart-rhodes-government-using-jade-helm-vet-military-politicians-future-takeover
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/oath-keepers-group-battered-by-members-
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers
Oath Keepers Group Battered by Members' Arrests
Oath Keepers, a two-year-old organization that encourages police officers and soldiers to disobey orders that may be unconstitutional, has long contended that it is about nothing more than protecting Americans' freedoms.
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It's important to note that their list of Patriot Groups / Anti-Government groups is not the same as their list of Hate groups. They are not saying Patriot Groups / Anti-Government groups are hate groups, only that they are concerned about them.
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SGT Don Sanker
but my concern arises from the characterization of anti-government groups. How can you take the oath of enlistment/commission and swear to defend against enemies foreign and domestic and be a member of a anti-government group at the same time. The installation closest to me recently had a double murder, drug trafficking, and other related crimes to support a militia unit created in the barracks. The murders were to keep former members quiet of their existence.
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There is a pretty wide range of anti-government groups out there... some may be problematic, however most seem to be Cosplaying a modern day Rebel alliance opposed to an Evil Globalist Empire. Just like I have a hard time taking a bunch of college kids who dress up in black and want to punch Nazis seriously, I don't see groups like Oath Keepers actually going to war with military and police who are doing their job.
Hate groups are another matter entirely, since they are actively working to do harm to some vulnerable segment of society.
Hate groups are another matter entirely, since they are actively working to do harm to some vulnerable segment of society.
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SGT Don Sanker
SSG (Join to see) - what difference 4 years makes, isn’t it. Now we have witnessed the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and other “militia” groups have found it reasonable to attack the Capitol to remedy the Big Lie.
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When I left service, I didn't leave behind the desire to preserve a strong nation built on the foundational document that guided it. If my nation called me back, I would consider my oath still active and respond accordingly.
Where I think I have reservations is an hijacking of this by ideologically driven groups that stand by to enforce their will on the People through violence under the bizarre justification that they truly understand the Constitution (they usually don't), that they represent the silent majority (they usually don't) and that the purity of their motives justify circumventing the process outlined in the Constitution for amendment and reform.
The problem with our oath was that it was never given with the idea that we would carry it out absent the checks and balances of a legitimate command structure guided by the three branches of the Constitutionally established Federal government. Lone wolves and independent militias claiming to be Constitutional scholars were not in the plan; nor should they be.
Where I think I have reservations is an hijacking of this by ideologically driven groups that stand by to enforce their will on the People through violence under the bizarre justification that they truly understand the Constitution (they usually don't), that they represent the silent majority (they usually don't) and that the purity of their motives justify circumventing the process outlined in the Constitution for amendment and reform.
The problem with our oath was that it was never given with the idea that we would carry it out absent the checks and balances of a legitimate command structure guided by the three branches of the Constitutionally established Federal government. Lone wolves and independent militias claiming to be Constitutional scholars were not in the plan; nor should they be.
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Where do Oaf Keepers come into this? They are a cop killer militia pretending to be something they are not. I wouldn't have one in the military or Law Enforcement Agency
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The oath I took will be with me till the day I die, just because I choose to leave the Army doesn't mean I don't believe in it anymore. I am choosing to get out because that is what I feel is right for me and my family at this time, and believe me it was a hard decision that I didn't make over night.
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It will be a sad day when the enemy comes to make a claim on the United States and they probably won't be foreign.
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SFC Charles S.
SSG (ret) William Martin You are absolutely correct on that, it will be a sad day and I would also agree it probably won't be foreign.
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The oath lists the constitution first and the president second. This is not an error IMHO. My oath does not expire.
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Right or wrong it is because of this kind of ideology that Veterans are listed by Homeland security as a domestic threat to the government.
As with III%ers, at heart it is a good idea (IMO), in that the government (regardless of what party is in office) is on notice that citizens will openly declare their loyalty to the founding principles of this nation, not the political party in power and that they will stand against the rise of tyranny to include armed resistance if necessary.
That being said, I find a lot these conspiracy theories insulting, especially the current one surrounding the Jade Helm exercise. It is ludicrous to suggest that the military would blindly go along with a plan to enact and enforce martial law simply at the command of the administration. Which feeds off the conspiracy theory that the administration has been using a litmus test for retaining senior officers based on whether or not they would fire on American citizens if so ordered (makes for some interesting reading if you google it).
At the end of the day our oath whether officer or enlisted is first and foremost to support and defend the constitution. I would like to believe that those that currently wear the uniform along with those of us that have put it away would stay true to that oath and oppose any force whether foreign or domestic in honoring that oath.
As with III%ers, at heart it is a good idea (IMO), in that the government (regardless of what party is in office) is on notice that citizens will openly declare their loyalty to the founding principles of this nation, not the political party in power and that they will stand against the rise of tyranny to include armed resistance if necessary.
That being said, I find a lot these conspiracy theories insulting, especially the current one surrounding the Jade Helm exercise. It is ludicrous to suggest that the military would blindly go along with a plan to enact and enforce martial law simply at the command of the administration. Which feeds off the conspiracy theory that the administration has been using a litmus test for retaining senior officers based on whether or not they would fire on American citizens if so ordered (makes for some interesting reading if you google it).
At the end of the day our oath whether officer or enlisted is first and foremost to support and defend the constitution. I would like to believe that those that currently wear the uniform along with those of us that have put it away would stay true to that oath and oppose any force whether foreign or domestic in honoring that oath.
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SFC Charles S.
PO1 Dustin Adams I agree with you about the conspiracy theories and radicals who just want to incite trouble. That is not what this question was about or even the organization. Just was trying to see who stands by their oath and if it lasts past your enlistment.
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SrA Edward Vong
I prefer to leave it open with no explanation. It's up to everyone's interpretation of what the "dream" is.
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SrA Edward Vong, so without explanation it was kind of pointless to post anything.
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As I could see most everyone say there was no expiration date on the oath.
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