Posted on Aug 19, 2015
Maj William Gambrell
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I know this is a strange question, but it just popped into my head. We all know there are a lot of people in the US unwilling to work and go out of their way to get free money from the gov't. Shouldn't those people be upset that illegal immigrants are consuming lots of taxpayer money that the gov't/democrats could be giving them?
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SFC Mark Merino
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Rioting is much easier than thinking.
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Maj William Gambrell
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I understand, but the problem is that it isn't helping their cause.
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Cpl Chris Rice
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The average individual will only require welfare for a very short period of time, and when they are on TANF they make less than half of the federal poverty line which illegal immigrants are not authorized to receive. It costs the federal government 12,500 dollars per individual that they deport, these individuals do spend money and pay sales tax so by removing them you potentially remove a revenue stream for the individual states. Also if the individual immediately returns to the US then they repeat the cost, if you imprison them then you have to pay for that as well. Some estimates place it at the 412 Billion for the deportation off all people, plus then you would need to police the border to a much larger level, plus prevent re-entry, plus the money that will now be required of all people who decide to leave the American citizens they gave birth to in the United States and make their way into the foster care system. The Republicans are actually presenting the most expensive solution.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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MAJ William Gambrell, Sir, Please consider that "these" people are mission focused! Focus=next freebie; not whomever else might be eating from the same pie! I have 'slopped' hogs on a farm; they may shoulder another hog over a bit, but they never eating from the trough. (Public trough) if you wish!)
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Maj William Gambrell
Maj William Gambrell
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Agree...but I will continue using your animal analogy. When a wild animal has a kill (let's call the kill the gov't here) and the family is feeding, they fight off the enemy animals trying to get part of that kill.

In an inter-wild-animal environment like Africa, Hogs wouldn't be eating together with different animals.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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MAJ William Gambrell, You wish to put me in the position of associating/grouping America's "needy" people's within groups/countries of origin? I live in CA, MAJ, our most needy/receiving group is well known to the minority population of CA!
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Maj William Gambrell
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 - Won't argue with you on that point at all. Not sure why in hell you would want to live there??? :)
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SGT Darryl Allen
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Maybe the republican candidates can use this line in their debates. Instead of masking opinions, just dehumanize these groups by calling them animals. That way we can ensure a democrat president for another 4 years.
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Odd question, but shouldn't legal entitlements hunters be angry about illegal immigrants and vote against democrats this time?
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That's only if you consider every person on welfare to be worthless hive-minds who are more focused on welfare than well-being. But looking at people on the "Left" that way is as bad as people on the "Left" looking at people on the "Right" like they're all racists who hate poor people. Looking at the citizens as the enemy and not the politicians who fail to perform bipartisanly in the interest of the citizens, but rather in the interest of the businesses lining their pockets is the worst way to view your government. The people aren't the enemy, Major, the politicians are. Turning your view away from the fact that our government is trying and succeeding in turning us on each other rather than focusing on getting not only the White House, but Congress in check is exactly their goal. Just a thought.
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang
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Did you not know that the majority of the welfare recipient are from Red states. They do vote for Republicans and they do hate liberals. Otherwise why would the southern state keep voting against their best interest? Unfortunately, the majority of the hardworking people who support the Democrat are not ignorant enough to vote for the Republican.
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COL Ted Mc
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Maj William Gambrell - Major; If "The Welfare Budget" was fixed and then doled out based on the number of people on "welfare" then your argument might possibly resonate with the "non-illegals".

However, "The Welfare Budget" is NOT fixed and the amount of benefits has no relationship to the number of recipients. That means that "A" isn't going to get a dime more just because "B" gets cut off benefits. [What it does mean is that "A" is more likely to become the victim of a crime because "B" needs the money to survive and simply doesn't have sufficient "work skills" to earn enough to survive on. (Petty crime doesn't actually require a lot of "work skills" because the work day is so flexible - as are the "job skills" required.)]
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Maj William Gambrell
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Well, your answer makes absolutely no sense. Number one, Congress will never adjust the welfare budget, thus it will remain and will be distributed to help other types of welfare programs. Number two, if the "welfare" recipients as you call them vote the right way, Group B gets deported and crime rate goes down.

I will say that it will have to be a phased approach.
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COL Ted Mc
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Maj William Gambrell - Major; Don't count on it. If there is "excess money" then it will go to hiring more staff or simply be reclaimed and put into general revenue (with a corresponding decrease in next year's budget).

Exactly what does reducing either the number of claimants or the crime rate have to do with setting the amount of money that a "welfare" recipient gets? [HINT - Not a damn thing.]
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Maj William Gambrell
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Your are the one the brought up increased crime rate from Group B, which I disagree with given we would be deporting people.

As far as excess money, congress doesn't have a clue where and what the money is being used for...I guess you have never worked in DC.
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SSgt Alex Robinson
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The left is pandering like crazy.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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Only if rationality prevails over ideology.
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