Posted on Jun 4, 2015
SGT Ronnie Warford
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So I was speaking with an NCO from another unit and he was telling me about how the army doesn't work like it use to and "back then" if you messed up you got dropped and then that was that. Then he said he didn't understand why the Army is going to the paperwork aspect of counseling more when as a soldier he would rather get smoked. He also said the Army is getting softer and smarter. Do you feel this is true? I personally believe the Army is turning towards a direction that will benefit service members after they leave the service. Please let me know your opinions!
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I do not agree with "dropping" or "smoking" a Soldier right off the bat and in fact, I don't even do that unless its the last result which resulted from a SM not listening to me because they chose not to. We are leaving in a learning environment in which we must investigate, evaluate, ask questions and determine a plan and execute that plan and evaluate again. How can we do anything if we say, "oh PVT Snuffy was late again so I will just smoke the living dog crap out of him and I expect that will fix everything". How about we ask PVT Snuffy why is he late? It might be a serious situation that awaits for him to come home to every night. As counselors, we counsel; we find out the problem and we fix it.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SSG William Martin I don't disagree with that approach at all. I hope you didn't get the impression that everyone in the Army should be dropped, because of my reply. There is a time and a place for everything! We shouldn't throw everything out in today's Army. Again, just an opinion!
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SGT Richard H.
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What's wrong with doing both? Investigate, Discipline, Plan, Solve.
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CSM Charles Hayden
CSM Charles Hayden
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Soldiers must be trained to respond/move/do, not to question! Y'all have a problem to solve! My sons, now in their 50s, respond when dad says do it!

If you need to explain "WHY"; I fell sorry for you!
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I have been smoked for asking the question "why". When I asked it, it wasnt because I disagreed or didn't want to do what I was told. I asked because I wanted to know for next time so I could just do it on my own. Having a soldier understand what they are doing is a good thing, unless you want a leader standing over their shoulder at all times.
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SFC Operations Nco
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In the line units I have served in, we skull drug Joe if he messed up...but the punishment fit the crime. A smart remark would probably get you 50; miss first formation and the pain won't stop until COB.

Right now I am serving in a TRADOC unit, and now we are on a short leash.
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SSG Training Sergeant
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Yeah, TRADOC has a very short leash - and don't forget to ensure that they get a minimum of 8 hours of sleep at night.
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The Army doesn't work like it used to and it IS getting softer, mainly because NCOs are not enforcing the standard. The "new" Army soldiers are not as resilient as those in the past (I recently had to implement a sleep plan for a "hard charging" SSG while in the field. While this was the right thing to do, I'm twice his age and he just can't keep up with the optemo...not an isolated instance and not restricted to NCOs). Excuses and questions have become the new normal.
Smarter...? Yes and No. The average Soldier is far smarter than the average Soldier 20 years ago. However, the PCCs that those NCOs were taught in the 90s they can still do automatically with their eyes closed...the "new" Amy version has to be remediated on this basic skill because they can't retain it.
Your closing statement is a disturbing perception that I see more and more...that the Army is somehow supposed to be in the business of training you to be successful in a civilian skill once you leave the military. The Army's primary task is to close with and destroy the enemy in order to protect our nation...anything you pick up along the way that assists you when you complete your term of service is a bonus, not an entitlement.
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SGT Richard H.
SGT Richard H.
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I don't think they are any smarter than 20 years ago...at least not in the IQ sense of the word...but it does sound like they are much better at being "barracks lawyers".
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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1SG (Join to see), I got smoked on RP when I went beyond reminding folks that the military services do not exist to benefit the servicemembers to arguing that, ultimately, a military leader must be able to consider his (or her) troops to be expendable.
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1SG Military Police
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1LT William Clardy , fortunately it takes a GO to take my rank so I'm all about mission accomplishment and Soldier care no matter whose feelings get bruised. One of my best company commanders had a valuable saying, "never do anything your rank & your paycheck can't handle." We put out Hurt Feeling Reports in the Admin area at my last BCT...interestingly, we didn't have any takers.
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Maj Joan Marine
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1SG (Join to see) - We called that a TS punchcard...LOL!
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