Posted on Jan 14, 2015
On the spot corrections in public; when is it appropriate?
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This weekend me and my GF decided to get out and go to the movies not near any military base once so ever (maybe a Reserve or NG training facility could be near by). So I'm glancing around notice a uniform on a young lady and her hair down with a PT cap on inside of the mall. I didn't loose my mind at first because it could be anyone just wearing the uniform these days. As I get closer to her I notice she has on SPC rank. I told my GF that I have to say something to her and of course she didn't understand. When I approached the SPC and her civilian male acquaintance, I asked her was she in the Army and she quickly replied "yes". So I asked her did she know she was in complete violation of Army Regs she says "yes". The female rolled her eyes at me and I could tell she was going to have
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
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I don't care what the other person's rank is, if you're out of regs especially out in public eye like I WILL SAY SOMETHING. I'm not gonna pull you aside either. If you disrespect the wear of such a proud uniform that some of our brothers and sisters bled and died in you deserve the public embarrassment. If you outrank me, and you wanna get into a rank war, I'll call someone that outranks you into it. Chain of command is established for a reason. I will dress you down like an E1 for the world to see if you disrespect our uniforms or our colors. If you don't wanna take it seriously get the hell out of the military, because we damn sure dont want your scumbag arse watching our backs on deployment. If you can't pay attention to little details like proper uniform dress then I damn sure don't want you at my 6 missing important signs.
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I wouldn't handed her her own ass on a silver platter. If she resisted or gave me any shit, that would of just made it worse because I would of been recording it. The reason these shit bags are allowed to persist is 100% down to people not wanting to confront them in public. YOU DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE, you must confront the person right away. Good men and women died wearing that fucking uniform
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I am a MSG of 32 years of service, and I have to say that I appriciate your efforts. I also realize that with the uniform changes over the years, individual pride in ones uniform has also changed as well. I could go on but I'd be preaching to the choir. Here is my advise, when correcting a soldier in today's Army, try to get the soldiers unit first. That may take some befriending at first. Once you have the soldiers unit (company and Battalion, location). Now it's just a quick phone call to their command and let them know what you observed. I would also at that time identify yourself and make the correction, if they give you additude, then inform them of your intentions of calling their command. Good Luck....
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I always say that we as military leaders need to have a professional influence whether in or out of uniform. Best way to deal with this incident would be to pull her to the side and professionally correct her. Any attitude she would give you would just have to swallow it up, keep your military bearing and remind her that you out rank her and that she represents the whole army when she puts that uniform on.
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Ok so I would say that any place any time you have not only every right, but you are obligated to correct them. I think a very polite correct with escalation of force kind of thing.
So you very politely let them know they are messed up and correct themselves. If they are know skip that step. If given attitude use your best judgment, but for me I don't give a damn where you are if you give me shit while I'm correcting you I just get real mean real fast.
Hope that helps
So you very politely let them know they are messed up and correct themselves. If they are know skip that step. If given attitude use your best judgment, but for me I don't give a damn where you are if you give me shit while I'm correcting you I just get real mean real fast.
Hope that helps
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I would have done that to her , whn I was home for holiday leave I had an E-7 call me out wothout giving me a chance to even remove my cover as soon as I walked in the store
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I would have introduced myself as a SSG and then pulled her to the side and corrected her
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Take out your ID Card, state the violation and the regulation, ask for her chain of command. No public confrontation is required. Speaking to a BDE CSM typically has some sort of impact.
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If you were an NCO you should have (to keep it in the cool). 1)Identify yourself. 2)Ask the soldier for his/her ID. 3a)IF he/she provides one: Record name and SSN, take a pic of his/her uniform condition then figure out what unit she belongs to, and submit an art15 (with pic attached). 3b)If he/she doesn't provide with military ID: don't waste your time. Since he/she is not military (AR 670-1) "ARMY REGS" would apply.
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grow some balls and do something about it!
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grow some balls and do something about it!
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