Posted on May 23, 2015
On This Memorial Weekend, CAIR Leaders Ask: Do Fallen U.S. Troops Truly Merit Honor?
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I don't have to tell anyone on this forum the significance of this holiday weekend. While there are those who see it as little more than the gateway to their summer season, I have uncovered something even more repulsive: several Chapter Presidents of The Council on American-Islamic Relations have called the propriety of Memorial Day into question this week, openly asking whether Fallen U.S. Troops, who in their view died in an illegal and oppressive invasion on the behalf of a nation ultimately founded upon violence, white supremacy, and racial inequality, truly merit commemoration and remembrance.
What say you, RP Nation? If given the opportunity, what would you say to these individuals in response to their questioning? Please keep it clean and respectful, but be honest!
What say you, RP Nation? If given the opportunity, what would you say to these individuals in response to their questioning? Please keep it clean and respectful, but be honest!
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Another case of why opinions are like a$$holes, or in this case why a$$holes have opinions. Why come to our shores and spout such nonsense - oh that's right because you'd be handed your hat with you head still in it if you said those things in your own country.
Stop trying to make OUR country fit YOUR mentality.
Stop trying to make OUR country fit YOUR mentality.
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ISIS and the rest of their chumps play liberals like a violin. They use the propaganda handed to them by liberals. America is not exceptional, 'Merica' and hatred of God as a way of dividing nation. Just so they can do what, make fun of Republicans? LOL> God help us all and to hell with ISIS and the people who want to blame America for everything. I got a hand gesture for all the haters of America.
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Hi, Major.
Honestly, anything I said to them in response would be neither clean nor respectful.
Honestly, anything I said to them in response would be neither clean nor respectful.
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CAIR, it's operatives, it's guiding principles, should be given no more credence than any belief system that seduces with the fear of violence, however veiled. It is an organization, a tool, that is used to foster division.
Whether a war is believed to be just or unjust, regardless from where the individual derives their sense of morality, the memory of those who made the ultimate sacrifice to ensure that Americans, and people around the world, would be able to reap the benefits of freedom, should and must be preserved.
It is important to keep in mind what we are honoring. Definitely not a three-day weekend that promotes relaxation and recreation. Nor are we celebrating the necessity of war and all that war entails. At a minimum, Americans should observe a moment of respect and homage to those who have died for their country, for the motives of those who sacrificed were noble and uncorrupted to be sure.
But on a deeper level, one should not be blinded into thinking that all motives are void of being corrupted by nefarious influences. Ask what is truly being glorified by some elements, or groups, in our government?
For them I would say this - Veterans are no more than props to be rolled out on Memorial Day. They are but tribute ritually paid to the state and its endless wars. For "war is the health of the State", is it not? Preemptive war and global domination have become fixtures of what we have allowed them to turn into an American Empire; a psychology that exaggerates danger from abroad to cause fear, frightening the people into saluting a global military footprint, yielding civil liberties, indulging secrecy over transparency and bestowing on one man omnipotent military and economic power. As patriots we should not forget the warnings from the father of our Constitution and Bill of Rights: "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
So, for that select cabal in our own government, Memorial Day is nothing other than annual worship of state violence.
When veterans are not being praised for their “service” in foreign wars of conquest driven by the prospect of financial gain in some form, our government spends a lot of time demonizing veterans as its enemies.
See Smedley Butler:
http://youtu.be/jruQfJkDLRg
Whether a war is believed to be just or unjust, regardless from where the individual derives their sense of morality, the memory of those who made the ultimate sacrifice to ensure that Americans, and people around the world, would be able to reap the benefits of freedom, should and must be preserved.
It is important to keep in mind what we are honoring. Definitely not a three-day weekend that promotes relaxation and recreation. Nor are we celebrating the necessity of war and all that war entails. At a minimum, Americans should observe a moment of respect and homage to those who have died for their country, for the motives of those who sacrificed were noble and uncorrupted to be sure.
But on a deeper level, one should not be blinded into thinking that all motives are void of being corrupted by nefarious influences. Ask what is truly being glorified by some elements, or groups, in our government?
For them I would say this - Veterans are no more than props to be rolled out on Memorial Day. They are but tribute ritually paid to the state and its endless wars. For "war is the health of the State", is it not? Preemptive war and global domination have become fixtures of what we have allowed them to turn into an American Empire; a psychology that exaggerates danger from abroad to cause fear, frightening the people into saluting a global military footprint, yielding civil liberties, indulging secrecy over transparency and bestowing on one man omnipotent military and economic power. As patriots we should not forget the warnings from the father of our Constitution and Bill of Rights: "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
So, for that select cabal in our own government, Memorial Day is nothing other than annual worship of state violence.
When veterans are not being praised for their “service” in foreign wars of conquest driven by the prospect of financial gain in some form, our government spends a lot of time demonizing veterans as its enemies.
See Smedley Butler:
http://youtu.be/jruQfJkDLRg
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As a veteran, son of a veteran, father of a veteran, and member of CAIR, I find it very disconcerting that the so called leadership cannot differentiate between the sacrifices of the military, and yes many are Muslims like myself, and the self-serving few politicians that would knowingly commit our brave sons and daughters to combat operations.
The leadership of CAIR needs to reflect on the meaning of the 1st amendment, and the oath taken by those in uniform, to make the ultimate sacrifice, to protect freedom of religion; one of the duties of any of the true believers.
The leadership of CAIR needs to reflect on the meaning of the 1st amendment, and the oath taken by those in uniform, to make the ultimate sacrifice, to protect freedom of religion; one of the duties of any of the true believers.
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Why are you are member of CAIR knowing what you know? And what politicians are you referring to?
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First, I have been a member of CAIR for more than 20 years, longer than many of the current CAIR leadership hav been out of diapers. I became involve because of the interfaith and awareness efforts. The politicians I was referring to are those that knowingly ordered combat operations against Iraq with fabricated evidence that resulted in the total destruction of a country's infrastructure and the deaths of untold civilians and thousands of U.S. military.
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CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling, thank you for joining the conversation today, your input on this matter is greatly appreciated. I have a number of questions to ask you, so let me begin with these:
1.)As a longtime member of CAIR, what changes have you observed within the organization over that period of time? Specifically, has their been a change in the overarching goals, objectives, and values over this period of time?
2.)How can the American public honestly trust/respect an organization that not assails American values, traditions, and holidays, but also has links to the Muslim Brotherhood, a known extremist organization outlawed in Egypt and several other Islamic nations? Is it just some members who maintain these ties or is it an official alliance?
3.)You seem like a man of reason, Chief. Do you have an active voice within CAIR or are you too much of an American for CAIR leadership's agenda?
Please know I intend know disrespect with this post or these questions. I am delighted to make your acquaintance, as these questions matter to us both, and it is imperative to discuss these issues. Thank you in advance for your time and patience with us all!
1.)As a longtime member of CAIR, what changes have you observed within the organization over that period of time? Specifically, has their been a change in the overarching goals, objectives, and values over this period of time?
2.)How can the American public honestly trust/respect an organization that not assails American values, traditions, and holidays, but also has links to the Muslim Brotherhood, a known extremist organization outlawed in Egypt and several other Islamic nations? Is it just some members who maintain these ties or is it an official alliance?
3.)You seem like a man of reason, Chief. Do you have an active voice within CAIR or are you too much of an American for CAIR leadership's agenda?
Please know I intend know disrespect with this post or these questions. I am delighted to make your acquaintance, as these questions matter to us both, and it is imperative to discuss these issues. Thank you in advance for your time and patience with us all!
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