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On the NCOER if you are going to put that your Soldier won a board as a leadership bullet for excellence, shouldn't you be willing to place a needs improvement bullet if your Soldier gets an Article 15?
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If one Soldier wins the board during an rating period, this would not be considered an excellence bullet. It might help counter balance the article 15 down the road, but even without that it's not an excellence. You have to see it in 360, as if a leader has 43 troops and one does it over a year... or perhaps he has one and over a three month time period... I dont see excellence there. Perhaps a rewrite to show the competition of mentored Soldier to win "whatever" over 15 others. The person going before the board might have had very little competition, and it was probably required by the CSM or 1SG before the promotion board.
BLUF: a full 360 view should be given on evaluations, and leaders shouldn't have just the good stuff in there. Perhaps their team/section/platoon has a discipline issue, in which the 1SG or rater needs to have written confirmation that the issue existed and was not fixed before the eval and it should reflect, perhaps not with a needs improvement but with a success.
BLUF: a full 360 view should be given on evaluations, and leaders shouldn't have just the good stuff in there. Perhaps their team/section/platoon has a discipline issue, in which the 1SG or rater needs to have written confirmation that the issue existed and was not fixed before the eval and it should reflect, perhaps not with a needs improvement but with a success.
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Here is an example for you. I helped a battle buddy study for the promotion board, however she did I would say about 95% of the work with prepping her uniform, studying, and putting mock boards together. She won the NCO board and then passed the promotion board. Her leader not only did not help her at all but also did not show up as her sponsor. So even though he did nothing he could get away with putting the bullet on his NCOER because his Soldier won the board. I know that this isn't always the case but I have seen it a few times. My challenge to us leaders is that if we would take credit for the good things our Soldiers do then we should also take credit for the bad assuming that what bad they did could have been a result of our poor or lack of leadership.
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Sure, if you were right there when he committed the action that got him the ART 15 and you didn't do anything to stop it then I am all for that. Now, if your Soldier goes out and robs a store while on leave, why should that reflect negatively on an NCOER of his leader?
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Why, did you train your Soldier to receive the UCMJ, like you did for the board?
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1SG (Join to see)
OH wait?!?! are we talking bullets for the Soldier that earned the achievement (negative or positive) or the rater?
If so I agree with MSG Quick. Now if your whole Platoon received Article 15's during your rated period as a PSG then yeah you may want to look at yourself, but not just for one issue.
If so I agree with MSG Quick. Now if your whole Platoon received Article 15's during your rated period as a PSG then yeah you may want to look at yourself, but not just for one issue.
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Then wouldn't it be required to put a "needs improvement" bullet if you had not one but two soldiers commit suicide in less than 60 days? I agree that we often put bullets for the NCOs achievements but often don't put a bullet for their failures. This is something we as NCOs need to keep in mind when writing NCOERs. Granted no NCO wants to see someone's career get ruined but if we don't start writing the truth, we will keep getting poor leaders that make poor decisions.
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Agree 100%! In fact that is one of the constant, repeated board AAR comments. Raters should really use the 623-23 (AR&DA PAM) when writing NCOERs
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SGM Matthew Quick
Really? You agree 100%?
Let's say your Soldier drinks and drives and kills someone...that should go on an NCOs NCOER? But the NCO just gave them a safety brief and TOLD that person NOT to drink and drive.
Let's say your Soldier drinks and drives and kills someone...that should go on an NCOs NCOER? But the NCO just gave them a safety brief and TOLD that person NOT to drink and drive.
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1SG (Join to see)
I agree that it should go on that NCOs NCOER but not the raters unless it is a systemic problem with numerous Soldiers under that one NCO/rater. I think I am not reading his question the same way you were MSG which is the reason for my comment on your post.
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