Posted on Jan 5, 2014
Overseas service ribbon/stripes question, how to compute months
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<div>My question is two part, so please bear with me (and thanks for the help, I've never gotten a solid answer on this):</div><div><br></div><div>1. Part one, eligibility:</div><div><br></div>So on the HRC website (<a href="https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR">https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR</a>) it says:<div><br></div><div><div>"How long do I have to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan to be awarded the OSR?</div><div><br></div><div>IAW AR 614-30, Soldiers who serve a minimum of 11 cumulative months (within a 24 month period) or 9 continuous months in a TCS/TDY status may receive overseas tour credit for a completed short tour."</div></div><div><br></div><div>My ERB shows a deployment from 201226 to 20130831 and calculates to 8 months.</div><div><br></div><div>I did NOT deploy within the 24 months, twice, so the 11 cumulative will not work. My BN S1 adjutant said I am NOT eligible for the OSR for this tour because I didn't hit the 9 months. Fine by me, I really don't care. So I took my photo and had my ERB say 1 OSR (for a 12 month Afghan deployment, I didn't get an OSR for my 3 month OIF I invasion deployment).</div><div><br></div><div>I actually can't find where in AR 614-30 it says that. The one from 2010 doesn't seem to have the chart that the old one said that basically said "if this, then that". And the words "9 continuous" as from HRC don't even exist in the document according to the search function.</div><div><br></div><div>The S1 told me it was based on how many months showed up on the ERB. So if it had said 9 months I would have been good, but it says 8 months. </div><div><br></div><div>And my total deployed time says 23 months on my ERB, so I can only wear 3 overseas bars on my sleeve as well (according to S1).</div><div><br></div><div>2. Now for part two:</div><div><br></div><div>So I validated my board record a couple weeks prior to the board with my ERB saying 1 OSR and my photo with only the OSR and no numerals.</div><div><br></div><div>I had CSM Maynard look at my record and he noticed my ERB said 2 OSR.</div><div><br></div><div>Someone, or HRC, automatically added my second OSR even though I don't appear to be eligible and was told I wasn't.</div><div><br></div><div>First, how bad does that look to the board (assuming my ERB was changed before the board convened), and second, is there a way to see what ERB the board pulled? When I click on my board file in OMPF, it says not available because the board already convened.</div><div><br></div><div>***</div><div><br></div><div>The argument I've been told is it isn't by day but by month, but I can't see where that's in writing. For example, if you went by month and not days, it would be December (2012), Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, July, Aug - nine months. But by days apparently they have something before the 15th or after or whatnot, which calculates to 8 months total, not nine.</div><div><br></div><div>And I've been told that for the stripes it's by months, for the OSR it's basically by days. </div><div><br></div><div>So to play it safe I just went with the ERB. ERB said 8 months for this deployment, so I didn't put an OSR on. ERB said 23 months total deployed, so I only wear 3 stripes on my sleeve.</div><div><br></div>
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maybe it's different for NCOs, but I don't know if the board even really looks at your DA photo when you are an officer, other than to make sure you are not a total fat-ass. I know a guy whose packet went before the O4 board and he didn't even have his name-tag on his ASU in his DA photo, still got selected.
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SSG (Join to see)
For promotion to SFC and above the DA Photo was a HUGE deal, until this year's board, at which time they removed the DA Photo from the board packet.
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For the OSR, if your ERB shows 8 months in Section I, then it is not the 9 months required. Months are calculated in Section I by days and not under the same rules as OSBs.<div><br></div><div>For OSBs, the Total Months in Section I will normally not add up to your qualifying months for the OSB. According to 670-1, "The months of arrival to, and</div><div>departure from xxxxxx are counted as whole months." This is not the way that eMILPO calculates the "months" in Section I.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope that helps.</div>
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CSM Mike Maynard
SFC Lance Asher - first, what I'm going to describe is based on the regulation. OSRs and OSBs seem to be very difficult for administrative folks to calculate based on the myriad rules and changes that have happened over the years. Additionally, deployments are counted separately, even if they are ICW a normal OCONUS tour.
1) - 35mos Germany = 1xOSR
2) - 15mos Iraq = 1xOSR
3) - 36mos Hawaii = 1xOSR
4) - 12mos Iraq = 1xOSR
5) - 6mos Iraq = 0xOSR
6) - 8mos Saudi = 1xOSR (>11 cumulative months within 24 months)
7) - 12mos Korea = 1xOSR
8) - 12mos Korea = 1xOSR
A great FAQ page from HRC to use is - http://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR
Just show your S1 the reasoning used to determine your OSRs and they can make the change for you. Hope this helps.
1) - 35mos Germany = 1xOSR
2) - 15mos Iraq = 1xOSR
3) - 36mos Hawaii = 1xOSR
4) - 12mos Iraq = 1xOSR
5) - 6mos Iraq = 0xOSR
6) - 8mos Saudi = 1xOSR (>11 cumulative months within 24 months)
7) - 12mos Korea = 1xOSR
8) - 12mos Korea = 1xOSR
A great FAQ page from HRC to use is - http://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR
Just show your S1 the reasoning used to determine your OSRs and they can make the change for you. Hope this helps.
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2LT (Join to see)
CSM,
I hope this thread is still active but if someone serves a tour in AFG or IRAQ from NOV-AUG for a total of 269 days would they qualify for the OSR?
I hope this thread is still active but if someone serves a tour in AFG or IRAQ from NOV-AUG for a total of 269 days would they qualify for the OSR?
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2LT (Join to see)
614-30 only stated 9 months consecutive or 11 months cumulative but it didn't state how those months were calculated. Technically that is 10 months counting from NOV-AUG but if you are counting days its 8 months and 29 days. A day short if days are what is used to calculate months of service. Would that still qualify for the OSR? if not is there not an ETP for a unit that close to receiving an OSR?
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CSM Mike Maynard
2LT (Join to see) - This is one of the most confusing topics dealing with awards. So, OSRs are based on "days", not "months" like the OSB. On your ERB, it will state the number of "months" in Section I out from that deployment. If it says "9", then you have met the requirement for an OSR, if it says "8", then you have not met the requirement and will need to accumulate 11 months within a 24 month period to earn the OSR. As far as an ETP, everything has an ETP, but they have set policy for the # of months required, so the ETP would have to be about something other than being short a day or so. Hope that helps and my advice is based on how things were when I retired 3yrs ago and a brief perusal of the reg to see if anything had changed.
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I can't answer your OSR question as my tours were not on the borderline so I didn't research it as much.
I do know that the Overseas Service Bar (Combat Stripe) is cumulative by month. If you are in the Mid east (or other combat zone) during a qualifying period for any part of the month, that month counts.
Add up all the months and divide by 6, that's how many Overseas Service Bars you have
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CW2 (Join to see)
That's the problem. My ERB shows 23 months. I've heard what you said but was told I couldn't wear four stripes by the CSM and S1. So when they look at your photo and they see 23 but you have four bars how is that looked at? I doubt they're going to check the parts of the month I was there
Why would they not have that match the ERB?
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CSM Mike Maynard
CW3 Zachary Keough - Deployments over 9 months are counted as 1 day in a month equals 1 month toward OSB. Deployments less than 9 months, you count the actual days to determine how many months you get credit for. It's explained in the reg for both these situations.
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The only way to have any OSR show up in your awards section is for the S1 to go in and actually manually type in the dates of qualifying service.
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CW2 (Join to see)
Wow, so someone actually took the time to go in and screw up my record, CSM. Haha, awesome.
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CSM Mike Maynard
Yep, they don't have a date/time-stamp on when things are entered/changed on eMILPO or you could do some detective work to see exactly who changed it, but it has to be someone that has read/write access to your record, which is usually only some S1/G1 folks in your chain.
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1SG (Join to see)
There is a "tattle tail" tracker built into the Emilpo system that logs the user creditials that accessed a SM's record; however it usually takes someone with total access that knows how to work the program.
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A minor error like that will not hurt you, many times people get that AAM or AGCM after they take their photo or while the board is being conducted. Small minor errors like those wont standout as much as the incoming soldier on your ERB or missing data. As in overseas tour credit the nine months tour credit was changed go to frequently asked questions for overseas service credit and it will explain it there. It recently had the question of if I am stationed in Germany but deploy to Iraq/Afghanistan do I get overseas credit for both and the answer is yes as per HRC's guidance.
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CSM (Join to see)
The battle to keep it right is never ending sorry to hear about the disc hopefully they get you patched up and back in action fast. As per the last guidance of nine continuos months I would say you're correct.
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LTC Jason Bartlett
At least it is all digital now and you don't have to type it. Much easier to maintain your records now.
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CW2 (Join to see)
Yeah 1SG, it is definitely a battle. Oh well, fortunately I'm OCD. I only hope that someone didn't go in and do that BEFORE the board pulled the file, and that they saw the correct one with only one OSR.
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MSG (Join to see)
You should be wearing four stripes per the AR. Check out S1Net for more information.
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For the OSB it is cumulative by months, with whole months being counted, regardless of how many days of that calendar month you actually spent in theater. EXAMPLE: Arrive January 30th and depart 1 December. That credits 12 months (2 OSB's) as per the reg., because all of January and all of December are counted. But, it will only reflect as 10 months on a record brief.
The exception is for tours of less than 180 days. For these short deployments you do not count month of arrival and month of departure as whole months. If that is the case add of the days of your (less than 180 day) tours and divide by 30. That is how many months they total up to.
The exception is for tours of less than 180 days. For these short deployments you do not count month of arrival and month of departure as whole months. If that is the case add of the days of your (less than 180 day) tours and divide by 30. That is how many months they total up to.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Do note however that the computation rules are different for WW2 service. I believe a lot of confusion has been about due to people reading the first paragraph, which only applies to ww2, and going with that.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am a retired LTC, and I have an awards/uniform question. Although I am retired, in the event that I ever have to put on my Class A uniform for an appropriate function, I'd like to know how many Overseas Service Bars I should wear.
I have the following OIF or OEF deployment dates, according to my DD-214:
Kuwait OIF: 9/3/03 - 11/28/03 (3 months?)
Kuwait OIF: 10/28/06 - 2/4/07 (5 months?)
Afghanistan OEF: 3/31/11 - 3/30/12 (13 months?)
Afghanistan OEF: 10/16/13 - 8/16/14 (11 months?)
Does this mean that I receive credit for 3 months, 5 months, 13 months, and 11 months towards Overseas Service Bar calculations? Does this mean that I have 32 total months of credit, entitling me to wear FIVE overseas service bars?
I currently have four on my uniform, but looking at the regs, this may be incorrect.
Please let me know the EXACT number of Overseas Service Bars that I am entitled to. Thank you for your assistance!
V/R
LTC(R) Ryon F. Adams
US Army Retired
I am a retired LTC, and I have an awards/uniform question. Although I am retired, in the event that I ever have to put on my Class A uniform for an appropriate function, I'd like to know how many Overseas Service Bars I should wear.
I have the following OIF or OEF deployment dates, according to my DD-214:
Kuwait OIF: 9/3/03 - 11/28/03 (3 months?)
Kuwait OIF: 10/28/06 - 2/4/07 (5 months?)
Afghanistan OEF: 3/31/11 - 3/30/12 (13 months?)
Afghanistan OEF: 10/16/13 - 8/16/14 (11 months?)
Does this mean that I receive credit for 3 months, 5 months, 13 months, and 11 months towards Overseas Service Bar calculations? Does this mean that I have 32 total months of credit, entitling me to wear FIVE overseas service bars?
I currently have four on my uniform, but looking at the regs, this may be incorrect.
Please let me know the EXACT number of Overseas Service Bars that I am entitled to. Thank you for your assistance!
V/R
LTC(R) Ryon F. Adams
US Army Retired
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Do overseas strips count for combat tours or just doing a normal overseas tour. I spent 2.5 years in Germany
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As a secondary question, I've been out since '07, but as a reservist deployed to Iraq 04-05 (11 mos, x days). Where in my records (I think I have my ERB completely copied, some pieces might be missing) would I find info on eligibility for OSR and service stripes for that deployment?
Thanks very much!
Thanks very much!
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I received an Overseas Service Ribbon for my time in Alaska. Am I entitled to wear the sleeve stripe
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CSM Mike Maynard
If you're talking about the stripes on the right sleeve, those are Overseas Service Bars and are earned for each 6 months in combat, not just overseas service.
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