Posted on Aug 24, 2015
"Pemberton admits choking Jennifer Laude"
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From: The Inquirer
US Marine Pfc. Joseph Scott Pemberton admitted on Monday that he choked Jennifer Laude after learning that she was also a “man.”
Pemberton made the admission during the hearing on Laude’s murder at the Olongapo City Regional Trial Court Branch 74.
Pemberton strangled and dragged Laude after discovering that she was a transgender, Laude family lawyer Harry Roque told reporters.
In his testimony, Pemberton said that on Oct. 11, 2014, he went to the mall and several bars as part of his “liberty time.”
After going to several bars, he went back to the mall and later went to Ambyanz Resto Bar where he met “two women,” one whom was Laude.
He said Laude and the other unidentified woman went with him to Cellzone Lodge where one of the women performed oral sex on him.
After the woman left, Pemberton and Laude were left alone inside the hotel room, where Laude also began performed oral sex on him.
During the sex act, Pemberton said, he reached down between Laude’s legs and discovered that his sex partner had a penis.
According to Pemberton, he got angry–feeling that he was being raped by another man.
The American said he pushed Laude but the latter retaliated by slapping him.
Pemberton said he then choked Laude.
When he saw that she was no longer moving, he dragged her to the comfort room where he poured water on Laude in the hopes of reviving her.
Last May, Philippine National Police medico-legal officer and pathologist Dr. Maritess Ombao testified that Laude died due to strangulation and asphyxia by drowning.
Pemberton is accused of killing Laude, who was found dead in a bathroom of a motel in Olongapo City.
A bellboy identified Pemberton as the companion of Laude before her body was found.
The murder complaint was filed December last year.
Pemberton is currently detained at the JUSMAG facility inside the Armed Forces of the Philippines’ headquarters at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/715734/pemberton-admits-choking-jennifer-laude#ixzz3jkrSf6yV
US Marine Pfc. Joseph Scott Pemberton admitted on Monday that he choked Jennifer Laude after learning that she was also a “man.”
Pemberton made the admission during the hearing on Laude’s murder at the Olongapo City Regional Trial Court Branch 74.
Pemberton strangled and dragged Laude after discovering that she was a transgender, Laude family lawyer Harry Roque told reporters.
In his testimony, Pemberton said that on Oct. 11, 2014, he went to the mall and several bars as part of his “liberty time.”
After going to several bars, he went back to the mall and later went to Ambyanz Resto Bar where he met “two women,” one whom was Laude.
He said Laude and the other unidentified woman went with him to Cellzone Lodge where one of the women performed oral sex on him.
After the woman left, Pemberton and Laude were left alone inside the hotel room, where Laude also began performed oral sex on him.
During the sex act, Pemberton said, he reached down between Laude’s legs and discovered that his sex partner had a penis.
According to Pemberton, he got angry–feeling that he was being raped by another man.
The American said he pushed Laude but the latter retaliated by slapping him.
Pemberton said he then choked Laude.
When he saw that she was no longer moving, he dragged her to the comfort room where he poured water on Laude in the hopes of reviving her.
Last May, Philippine National Police medico-legal officer and pathologist Dr. Maritess Ombao testified that Laude died due to strangulation and asphyxia by drowning.
Pemberton is accused of killing Laude, who was found dead in a bathroom of a motel in Olongapo City.
A bellboy identified Pemberton as the companion of Laude before her body was found.
The murder complaint was filed December last year.
Pemberton is currently detained at the JUSMAG facility inside the Armed Forces of the Philippines’ headquarters at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/715734/pemberton-admits-choking-jennifer-laude#ixzz3jkrSf6yV
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Here's a tip. Don't get drunk and take a perfect stranger to a hotel and get blown in a hotel within a few hours of meeting anyone. The chances of getting into any kind of trouble goes up dramatically, don't you think? They need to amend those 'sex consent' cards to include 'do you have a penis/vagina/both. Common sense also dictates that if you are hiding the fact that you have a surprise in your pants and you pick up a drunk a couple hours after meeting them, there is a excellent chance of getting your ass beat.
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LTC David Brown
I heard about a case a few years back where a fellow who was “ transitioning “ had his upper 1/2 finished and was preforming second acts to get the lower 1/2 finished. One of the customers found a “ suprise” and knifed the individual. Both sides are taking a big risk.
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Not to justify what happened, however, Ms Laude had a responsibility to inform PFC Pemberton that she was a transgender male, furthermore, PFC Pemberton had a reasonable expectation that who he was with was female... Ms Laude had more than ample opportunity to inform PFC Pemberton, but CHOSE not to. Again, not justifying anything, but all things being considered, Ms Laude did, in fact, play a participant in her murder. The only one who had nothing to hide in this encounter, was PFC Pemberton. I'm sure Ms Laude had to have known something negative would happen if this was discovered by PFC Pemberton, maybe not murder, but something, and this should be considered in PFC Pemberton's case.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
CPT (Join to see) - I agree, no one deserved to die because of who or what they are, and it's terrible that someone had to, But should the victim have, at least, told the Marine that she was transgender before beginning anything sexual? Again, it does not give him the right to murder, but neither does it give her the right to be deceptive. Two wrongs doesn't make a right, and two wrongs occurred... unfortunately, so did only one death...
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
SPC K Webb - Agreed, but in order to ensure the audience is aware of which "he" we are speaking about without having to use proper names all the time, in this particular case, it's much easier just to use what they identify as for the purpose of identity and clarification, and to use one that isn't derogatory to ensure a deeper and meaningful conversation with those who may identify the same. Wouldn't you agree?
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ABSOLUTELY does not excuse his actions so consider the next comment separate, he is guilty of murder.
His partner however had an obligation to not try to pass herself off as anatomically female, an assumption that can almost be guaranteed that the man made. It was also a reasonable assumption and she did not help him to realize it wasn't true.
Again this in no way validates murder.
His partner however had an obligation to not try to pass herself off as anatomically female, an assumption that can almost be guaranteed that the man made. It was also a reasonable assumption and she did not help him to realize it wasn't true.
Again this in no way validates murder.
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LTC Michael Murphy
"His partner however had an obligation to not try to pass HIMSELF off as anatomically female ..."
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PVT Andrew Burd
yeah can we stop calling dudes "she" please... for fuck's sake stop this ridiculous mollycoddling.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
This generation is too politically correct, take into consideration that his core beliefs about what he was taught were violated. He was manipulated and if he would have been a female would have it been a different story?
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They were called Benny Boys back when I was in the Philippines (82-83). They normally steered very clear of us as they knew their shenanigans would not fly. Perhaps they are bolder today. Misrepresenting yourself to someone like this man did to another man is begging for trouble. Minimally a butt kicking. For the PFC, he went too far and killed him. What a strange thing I find myself typing on a military website.
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LCDR (Join to see)
I had my sunglasses and wallet stolen out of my backpack while walking down the street in a group of 6 total officers. They have definitely become more brazen.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
When I was stationed on ships in Japan we considered Subic too be our 2nd home port.
We were always warned and warning the new guys about those transgendered walking on the street offer something. I don't really recall seeing many of them actually in the bars as the bar girls had enough competition with the other real girls and the transgendered were not welcome, that's why they always prowled the streets.
I knew a few guys though who got into some minor trouble with transgendered in Subic, Singapore and Thailand because they were looking for a quickie and when they found out it was a guy giving them that quickie it mostly resulted in a quick ass kicking. Sometimes the local police got involved buy they didn't take kindly to the transgendered.
Had PFC Pemberton just punched out Laude then it would have been a simple assault case and he could have walked away, now he is facing time in a Filipino prison.
We were always warned and warning the new guys about those transgendered walking on the street offer something. I don't really recall seeing many of them actually in the bars as the bar girls had enough competition with the other real girls and the transgendered were not welcome, that's why they always prowled the streets.
I knew a few guys though who got into some minor trouble with transgendered in Subic, Singapore and Thailand because they were looking for a quickie and when they found out it was a guy giving them that quickie it mostly resulted in a quick ass kicking. Sometimes the local police got involved buy they didn't take kindly to the transgendered.
Had PFC Pemberton just punched out Laude then it would have been a simple assault case and he could have walked away, now he is facing time in a Filipino prison.
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Transgender should be obligated by law to let their partners whether casual or committed know that they are transgender to avoid a beat down; how are we protecting our soldiers from giving a beat down or getting beat down because it could go both ways
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Murdering the transgender victim is inexcusable, however, the victim, by not advising the subject, PFC Pemberton, that he was a male, posing as a female, was asking for a tragedy such as this to happen.
I have seen similar incidents on several occasions, all of which could have been prevented by the transgender ensuring the other person in the incident knew his true sex. While the transgenders may actually believe they the opposite gender than how they were born or the sexual organs they possess, most "straight" people would not feel that way and, if in a situation like PFC Pemberton found himself in, more times than not, they will react in a violent way.
I have seen similar incidents on several occasions, all of which could have been prevented by the transgender ensuring the other person in the incident knew his true sex. While the transgenders may actually believe they the opposite gender than how they were born or the sexual organs they possess, most "straight" people would not feel that way and, if in a situation like PFC Pemberton found himself in, more times than not, they will react in a violent way.
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I don't condone not being open and honest with a sexual partner, but for you to saying she was asking for it... With all do respect, that's a disgusting thing to say, sir.
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SGT Jeremy Reese
What he meant is that all of this could have been avoided had the transgender revealed herself as transgender prior to the sexual act. The reaction would not have lead to murder. He is not saying that she asked for it (despite wording), he is saying that it could have been avoided if she was open about it.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
SGT (Join to see) SGT Jeremy Reese - SGT Jones... You are correct. I used a poor choice of words. I certainly did not mean to imply that he "asked for it", as in "wanting it to happen", but he should have known that his failure to identify himself as a male could lead to a violent reaction when it was discovered during a sexual act. While he is still a victim of a tragic, unlawful act by PFC Pemberton, regardless what some folks may think, his reckless action in not identifying himself makes him culpable. As a result, I think Pemberton may be convicted of Manslaughter, rather than Murder.
No disrespect taken, SGT Jones. I understand your feelings. The taking of his life is certainly unjustified and unlawful. His failing to disclose that he was male to a potential sexual partner is also disgusting. Anybody with any sense would expect there could be a real possibility of a violent reaction when discovered. That does not excuse the act, but it certainly brings extenuating circumstances into the equation. Just because some misguided, sick individuals, think of themselves as the opposite of the gender they were born as, does not mean that others are required to share that fantasy.
No disrespect taken, SGT Jones. I understand your feelings. The taking of his life is certainly unjustified and unlawful. His failing to disclose that he was male to a potential sexual partner is also disgusting. Anybody with any sense would expect there could be a real possibility of a violent reaction when discovered. That does not excuse the act, but it certainly brings extenuating circumstances into the equation. Just because some misguided, sick individuals, think of themselves as the opposite of the gender they were born as, does not mean that others are required to share that fantasy.
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SGT (Join to see)
SCPO (Join to see), this is a "shared content" article and as such is not phrased as a question. Not every topic needs to be in a question format, depending on context and source.
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SSG Carlos Madden
Good question SCPO (Join to see). News shared from RallyPoint Shared Content usually does not have a specific since it is a linked article to an outside source. Similarly, posts from any of the Military Times sites do not have questions.
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SCPO (Join to see)
In other words, the posting of discussion post RULES do not apply to RP. I had five well-received posts with humorous pictures w/captions posted, but we're yanked because they were not in question format.
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Drunk Marine + ladyboy = big trouble. No she didn't deserve to be murdered but she was definitely cruising for an ass beating by not disclosing the fact she was transgender. An intimate relationship is an interpersonal relationship that not only involves physical intimacy but emotional intimacy as well. When both parties are not on the same page with either aspect things can get out of hand rather quickly.
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This has been going on forever. When I was in High School a bunch of Marines got in trouble for beating up what we called cross dressing or drag queen prostitutes in Washington DC. They have always been out there. I'd say buyer beware and this guy needs to go to prison for a very long time. Saying he felt like he was being raped by someone he invited or paid is ridiculous.
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