Posted on Oct 15, 2014
Pentagon withheld information about decades-old chemical weapons during Iraq War, report claims FoxNews.com
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/15/us-troops-wounded-by-decades-old-chemical-weapons-during-iraq-war-report-claims/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Banner&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/15/us-troops-wounded-by-decades-old-chemical-weapons-during-iraq-war-report-claims/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Banner&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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In fairness, some of this was actually made available at the time - however, nobody wanted to report it. I have a friend who (as a contractor) was involved in moving several tons of "yellow cake" uranium from Iraq to Canada several years back. This would be the same "yellow cake" that people stated didn't exist. It did get reported in several sources for a few days, but it was a very subdued reporting. Nowhere near the level of the "Saddam had no nuclear program" reporting.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.VD--5b6F9ws
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/the_550_tons_of_yellowcake.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.VD--5b6F9ws
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/the_550_tons_of_yellowcake.html
Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq
The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday.
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SFC(P) (Join to see), I heard that the Iraqis developed/created the chemical weapons with U.S. help during the Iran-Iraq war. I suspect that may have something to do with why the Pentagon said nothing. Kind of hard to say that Iraq had chemical weapons, and then have to say, "Well, yes, we did provide them to the Iraqis."
Here's a long story at the NY Times about this issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1
Here's a long story at the NY Times about this issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1
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CW2 Ernest Krutzsch
So the NY Times said that there were no WMD, now they are complaining that the Pentagon his the fact that there was MWD... But some say Chemical weapons are not WMD, tell that to the Kurds!
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SCPO (Join to see)
There was a joke making the rounds in 2002 - "The US Government knows for certain that Iraq has chemical weapons - we kept the receipts!"
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
CW5 (Join to see), I mean we could have accepted it, and said that we tried to help them in order to halt the Evil Iranians. I mean it's not like we didn't know that there was a point in time when Iraq had WMDs and Chemical weapons, Sadaam used them against the Kurds, as I'm sure most people on this site remember when it was used against the Kurds.
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SFC Boots Attaway
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CW5 Scott Montgomery, Even before I re-uped in 07 I knew from friends that had been there that 500 mustard gas artillery shells had been found. I also heard that a good portion of his WMDs were buried in a desert valley in or near Lebanon. Just like he buried his air force in the desert. His generals now ISIS generals know where they were buried and they have them.
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CW5 Scott Montgomery, Even before I re-uped in 07 I knew from friends that had been there that 500 mustard gas artillery shells had been found. I also heard that a good portion of his WMDs were buried in a desert valley in or near Lebanon. Just like he buried his air force in the desert. His generals now ISIS generals know where they were buried and they have them.
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Time magazine also ran an article on it:
http://time.com/3508881/iraq-isis-chemical-weapons-report/
Additionally, members of one of my old units had stories about running into the stuff while they were over there, so apparently it wasn't just a one-time thing.
SFC(P) (Join to see) is right, this is what we went into Iraq for, which makes it somewhat of a mystery why this wasn't better publicized.
According to the Fox News article, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel stated that "the Defense Department made public its discovery of these munitions as far back as 2006 and acknowledged the likelihood that more could be found." If that's true, I haven't seen any sign of the report, I only heard about it from firsthand accounts before this. Anyone else know of any previous official reports publishing this?
As for where we go from here...this stuff in the hands of ISIS is not a pleasant thought. Think IEDs that incorporate chemical agents...nasty stuff whether directed at military or civilian targets.
http://time.com/3508881/iraq-isis-chemical-weapons-report/
Additionally, members of one of my old units had stories about running into the stuff while they were over there, so apparently it wasn't just a one-time thing.
SFC(P) (Join to see) is right, this is what we went into Iraq for, which makes it somewhat of a mystery why this wasn't better publicized.
According to the Fox News article, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel stated that "the Defense Department made public its discovery of these munitions as far back as 2006 and acknowledged the likelihood that more could be found." If that's true, I haven't seen any sign of the report, I only heard about it from firsthand accounts before this. Anyone else know of any previous official reports publishing this?
As for where we go from here...this stuff in the hands of ISIS is not a pleasant thought. Think IEDs that incorporate chemical agents...nasty stuff whether directed at military or civilian targets.
Report: U.S. Kept Mum After Finding Old Chemical Weapons in Iraq
Aged or abandoned munitions encountered between 2004 and 2011
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MAJ (Join to see)
That's an interesting suggestion, SGT Dwain Inman. We certainly aren't above selling (or even giving) weapons to one side in a war we're not part of, but I'm not familiar with any instances of us selling chemical weapons. Do you have anything to back this up, or is it just hypothesis?
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SGT Dwain Inman
CBS reported it a while back. I have been told that was classified. ..but can't that classified if the news is reporting it...lol
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The sad thing is it's all about politics. Too many just don't care for the truth even with facts and evidence in front of them.
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My thoughts are, why now? Why has the main stream press continued to aid and abet the Obama Administration? Why do the majority of American not know, or care about, the facts in this. Then at the end of the day, does this really make a difference in how I raise and defend my family? If no one else is going to care, why should?
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I believed from the beginning that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, e.g. chemical weapons. They had a program to develope and manufacture chemical weapons, and we sold them Sarin to use against our common enemy, Iran. Saddam had no qualms about using them either. When we decided to clip his wings and go look for them, they were not to be found initially, but as soldiers moved around the country, chemical weapons caches were located and some soldiers were adversely affected. My issue is with leadership in this nation withholding that information for political purposes. Politics, like we see today, must stop if we are to have a republic. It falls on the shoulders of those on this forum, and others like us, to ensure the republic survives. Better dead than live under the yoke of tyranny. Semper Tyrannis!
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Adding the link to the story since it wasn't provided in the original post:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/15/us-troops-wounded-by-decades-old-chemical-weapons-during-iraq-war-report-claims/
Also, for clarification, this is a Fox News story based on a New York Times report. Here is one of the articles from the Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Banner&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
And a link to the NY Times documentary on the issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/ [login to see] 0160/chemical-secrets-of-the-iraq-war.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LargeMediaHeadlineSum&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/15/us-troops-wounded-by-decades-old-chemical-weapons-during-iraq-war-report-claims/
Also, for clarification, this is a Fox News story based on a New York Times report. Here is one of the articles from the Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Banner&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
And a link to the NY Times documentary on the issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/ [login to see] 0160/chemical-secrets-of-the-iraq-war.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LargeMediaHeadlineSum&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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SSG Selwyn Bodley
Should be there. Haven't yet mastered posting links from my phone yet!!! Where is my 17 year old daughter when I need her?! lol
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I don't understand why the pentagon would sit on something like this for so long. The reason that we went into Iraq was for the WMD's and then were led to believe that they didn't exist. I'm sure that the American people would have felt a lot differently about the whole situation if this information had been revealed in the beginning.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SFC(P) (Join to see) Doing some follow up reading, this looks very blown out of proportion. It appears that this "new news" is actually "old news":
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/15/no_bush_was_not_right_about_iraq_how_conservatives_misread_new_times_bombshell/
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/15/no_bush_was_not_right_about_iraq_how_conservatives_misread_new_times_bombshell/
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SCPO (Join to see)
We went into Iraq because we claimed they had an active weapons program, not because they had 15-20 year old munitions buried at various places around the country. We most likely knew where some of these locations were - I certainly remember the jokes we made at NAVCENT in 2003, looking at the evidence of the Iraqis burying warplanes and other stuff as the invasion loomed.
At the same time, I do remember periodic stories in the press (maybe not on Fox, oddly) as caches were discovered.
At the same time, I do remember periodic stories in the press (maybe not on Fox, oddly) as caches were discovered.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see), thank you for that article. I guess I didn't remember that we were trying to find an 'active' weapons program. But even still how many times were we told that there were no weapons found in any capacity? That was almost a rally cry for some people that we shouldn't have been there. Active or not though, those weapons, would and still did harm people. It seems to me that there was a lot of misleading for no reason.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Also define "active". While Nuclear is very obvious, chemical and bio are not as easy to pin down to as many chemical and bio weapons components are "dual use" and are not necessarily dangerous in and of themselves unless combined. Makes it very easy to hide an "active" program inside legitimate petrochemical production.
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