Posted on May 21, 2014
1SG Company First Sergeant
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Which one do you feel is worse and why? I specifically did not put HT/WT failure because many of us do not meet the required weight for our height. I have not been 194 pounds or less in quite a few years, but I have no problem passing my tape test. Let's hear what the community has to offer on this??
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There is a difference between being big while fit and big while fat. I know that our method of measuring body mass composition is not the best, but it is the given standard. We must adhere to it.

I have experience working with these individuals who may only be described as HUGE; the gym rats! However they never busy tape. I've seen others that are large in appearance and actually bust tape. Those are the ones who aren't meeting the standard. We should focus and help those.

Don't be fooled by the obese guy that can bench press an impressive amount of weight. Obese is obese! I believe our metrics give a rough or rudimentary method of measuring a portion of fitness level. Don't take me wrong, that same fat guy may be the only one pulling you out of a burning MRAP that rolled over into a pond and is 30 feet under water (it makes sense in my head). Perhaps the only one to muster up the courage to even attempt a rescue! The most frustrating case is the 300 APFT score who ran faster than I and still busted tape... There are flaws in the system, BUT NOT EVERYONE MAY BE CATEGORIZED WITHIN THE SAME FLAW.

Failing to meet the standard doesn't mean he/she is a bad Soldier!

Failing the APFT... Even civilians know we have to take one. What did the individual to IOT prepare? Career Soldiers had their entire career to prepare; why the failure? Our test is fairly simple and straight forward; push ups, sit ups, run. We should be striving for better PERFORMANCE every time. Why not? This is a key way to set yourself apart from your peers, promote competition, and Espirit de Corp.
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MSG Brad Sand
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SFC Gilley,

The one PFT/BMI issue I will always remember was the 0 Day of Air Assault School. Anyone who showed up for Air Assault School without a current, by their standards, APFT was given a test first thing that morning. There were some soldiers who had brought their DA Form 705 (within the last 6 months but not within whatever their time period was) but had to take a record APFT first thing at the start of the course. So there is this soldier who takes his APFT, does the Obstacle Course, to standard (which most people never do…for all of us who have done the Obstacle Course), and then complete the formation run back to the Air Assault School followed by an hour of additional physical training. The Air Assault instructors were trying to weed out as many as they could early…continually…so it was a ‘nice’ pace and distance, with lots of extra fun collapsing into the mud from push-ups, flutter kicks and mountain climbers. Finally we break for lunch and then they do the weight and height, and tape those who need it. I remember some poor…lucky…E-5 who made it through all of this only to be sent home his neck was too small.
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I wish I could vote that one up more than once MSG!
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MSG Brad Sand
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I will admit that as I got older, I paid closer attention to the weight standard? As far as PT, I figured that as long as I could pass at the 17 to 21 standard, I would be okay at whatever age I was at the time?
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1SG Clifford Barnes
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I always expect my soldiers to do their best. I expect them to achieve at least 70% in each event.
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MSG Brad Sand
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1SG Barnes,

I totally agree, but I must admit that during my time on BN Staff I saw more Senior NCOs and Officers do their minimums and get up than any other time during my career? While I understand, we did not have any enlisted watching and we all had done our share of PT tests, I would think you would still want to do your best? I know that Recruiting made it hard for all but the most diligent to maintain peak fitness levels, there is certain level we know we must maintain and if we are at least 70% even if we have a hic up they still pass.
Also, I found it interesting that a lot of seasoned soldiers could run 2 miles like there was no tomorrow, but if they would seem to fall apart if they were asked to run any further? Not all of course, but a surprisingly high number.
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SSG Jake Turner
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Being physically fit is far more than simply passing the tape and PT tests. It is a life style change that each of us has to equally accept. Being physically fit as an abundance of advantages from being able to increase your ability to survive in combat to reducing the chances that you get sick. As a leader it is our duty to teach our Soldiers the in and outs of their chosen profession but also teach them how to eat healthy. To answer the question honestly they are equally important and everyone knows what the standards are and how to stay above them. However, I would rather have someone that is a pt stud and 1% over their body fat. As opposed to someone that was a pt stud and physically fit. The reason that I say this is because they know and understand the value of hard work and can be taught how to eat a little cleaner and lose that 1 percent. I have met some Soldiers who only have physical fitness as their claim to fame and have trouble meeting that standard in other aspects of their profession.
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