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What is RP's thoughts on this?
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Taps plays here at Travis and I can barely hear it at night if the TV is on.
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What I personally do not understand, would be as long as the Air Force Base has existed, why the uproar just now. If this were a straining discomfort it would have already happened, and had yet to, so why the problem now?
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Oh and another thing when I am at home F-18s take off over my apartment everyday! NAS Oceana Master Jet Base! A lot louder then a Damn bugle! Let freedom ring hooorah!
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Well, look at the direction America is going this should be no surprise....if it is, it is time to get your head out of the hole in the ground and come to reality! I say the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning of everyday! In my Kenworth! Time to take pride in the country we serve/served and live in !
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What? I would leave the building in order to stand proud and salute, then go back to work. I also remember exiting my car to do the same in civilian clothes.
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I don't get it. Why would reveille & taps be disruptive?! People need to get lives if they're complaining about things like this. If you live in or near a military installation, you should get used to hearing reveille & taps. Period. If you don't like it, move far, far away
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They can get rid of Reveille for all I care. It's loud and annoying, completely useless when considering that most units get up at different times to conduct whatever is on their agenda, and it's a French word *shudders*. But keep Taps, that's for respecting the fallen.
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Ok. At first glance, I thought this was a joke, until I researched and found the AF Times article about this. http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/02/13/airmen-outraged-after-tyndall-nixes-taps-reveille/23352783/
After reading the article in its entirety and about 85% of the posts on this discussion forum, I'm in agreement with the majority. I really do not like this decision that has been made and would like to no more about the factors that were taken into account leading up to it.
First off, as a service member (no matter the branch) we give up certain liberties, privileges, and luxuries that are civilian population take for granted. Every duty assignment and position comes with its advantages/disadvantages. I feel the issue here, like most issues, is education. Several individuals on here have pointed out the key reasons bugle calls are played, but most don't realize that these three bulge calls don't even scratch the surface of the number of calls that could be played: First Call, Assembly, Mess Call (all three meal times), and the list goes on: http://www.music.army.mil/music/buglecalls/
FM 7-21.13, Chapter 4, para 4-28 to 4-31 breaks down the unique history of The Bugle Call. Take heed to para 4-31. This highlights, SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas' and a few others' points about respect to the fallen and those that served before us.
So back to the current era. I'm sure a lot of factors were taken into consideration before this decision was made. I just wonder what those considerations were. Before anyone lays judgment on me, take in mind, I have served on all three shifts mentioned in the article, numerous times throughout my career: AIT, Field Exercises, Overseas, etc. I can sympathize with the minority, about when a loud NOISE disrupts their sleep, rest, or whatever they do, while off-shift. But, depending on the significance of the NOISE, I made adjustments or adapted to my situation, just like so many others did around me.
Now, let's look at these factors: Reville is less than 25 seconds long; Retreat & To The Colors combined are less than 72 seconds long; and TAPS is right at 60 seconds. Yes, it's a shock at first for those that are not expecting them, but it goes away. There are ways to mitigate sounds to assist with sleep, rest, etc. It just takes EFFORT to do it, which some may not wish to do. Some may even argue it took effort to get their point across about these bugle calls on this particular installation, but I always thought the rule was in favor of the majority and not the minority in most situations involving service members. There are in some cases where the severity of certain decisions will be with the minority, but I'm not seeing in this instance.
So what were the factors taken into account, about the Airmen executing the 325 Fighter Wing mission on swing and midnight-shifts? I'm asking because I would like to get a better understanding of the whole situation and decision process. Until then, I have to let my current argument stand. Majority of individuals who work shift, find whatever pattern, battle rhythm, and schedule works best for them to accomplish a mission. Everyone has looked to see where they can get some extra sleep, or see what the minimal amount of rest they need in-order to take care of SELF. Meaning: the young service members that still go to the club until 0400 and report to work at 0630. The service member cramming for finals with every second and then resting to do the same. The SDO/CQ who sleeps all of 4-6 hours, then gets up to take care of personal errands after doing a 24hour shift. These are just a few examples and I know many of you know plenty more. If anyone has input on this article that was stated, I would love to hear more about.
Thank you for all that suffered through my posted. I'm truly sorry if I wasted your time. I pray the rest of your weekend is great. God Bless....Army Strong!
After reading the article in its entirety and about 85% of the posts on this discussion forum, I'm in agreement with the majority. I really do not like this decision that has been made and would like to no more about the factors that were taken into account leading up to it.
First off, as a service member (no matter the branch) we give up certain liberties, privileges, and luxuries that are civilian population take for granted. Every duty assignment and position comes with its advantages/disadvantages. I feel the issue here, like most issues, is education. Several individuals on here have pointed out the key reasons bugle calls are played, but most don't realize that these three bulge calls don't even scratch the surface of the number of calls that could be played: First Call, Assembly, Mess Call (all three meal times), and the list goes on: http://www.music.army.mil/music/buglecalls/
FM 7-21.13, Chapter 4, para 4-28 to 4-31 breaks down the unique history of The Bugle Call. Take heed to para 4-31. This highlights, SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas' and a few others' points about respect to the fallen and those that served before us.
So back to the current era. I'm sure a lot of factors were taken into consideration before this decision was made. I just wonder what those considerations were. Before anyone lays judgment on me, take in mind, I have served on all three shifts mentioned in the article, numerous times throughout my career: AIT, Field Exercises, Overseas, etc. I can sympathize with the minority, about when a loud NOISE disrupts their sleep, rest, or whatever they do, while off-shift. But, depending on the significance of the NOISE, I made adjustments or adapted to my situation, just like so many others did around me.
Now, let's look at these factors: Reville is less than 25 seconds long; Retreat & To The Colors combined are less than 72 seconds long; and TAPS is right at 60 seconds. Yes, it's a shock at first for those that are not expecting them, but it goes away. There are ways to mitigate sounds to assist with sleep, rest, etc. It just takes EFFORT to do it, which some may not wish to do. Some may even argue it took effort to get their point across about these bugle calls on this particular installation, but I always thought the rule was in favor of the majority and not the minority in most situations involving service members. There are in some cases where the severity of certain decisions will be with the minority, but I'm not seeing in this instance.
So what were the factors taken into account, about the Airmen executing the 325 Fighter Wing mission on swing and midnight-shifts? I'm asking because I would like to get a better understanding of the whole situation and decision process. Until then, I have to let my current argument stand. Majority of individuals who work shift, find whatever pattern, battle rhythm, and schedule works best for them to accomplish a mission. Everyone has looked to see where they can get some extra sleep, or see what the minimal amount of rest they need in-order to take care of SELF. Meaning: the young service members that still go to the club until 0400 and report to work at 0630. The service member cramming for finals with every second and then resting to do the same. The SDO/CQ who sleeps all of 4-6 hours, then gets up to take care of personal errands after doing a 24hour shift. These are just a few examples and I know many of you know plenty more. If anyone has input on this article that was stated, I would love to hear more about.
Thank you for all that suffered through my posted. I'm truly sorry if I wasted your time. I pray the rest of your weekend is great. God Bless....Army Strong!
Airmen outraged after Tyndall nixes 'Taps,' reveille
Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida has decided to stop playing "Taps" and reveille in and near residential areas -- and airmen are furious.
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Yes let's not disrupt the poor civilians that make money off of the base personnel... WTF?
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PO3 Stephen West
Mea Culpa MSgt, misread the article, I for one never had an issue with hearing colors in base housing, always thought it was great to see kids stop playing and stand at attention when it started.
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