Posted on Apr 7, 2015
LTC Yinon Weiss
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As if the act of murder wasn't bad enough, the end of the video shows him handcuffing the victim... who may have been still alive, and walking away. Watching how care free he was about the whole thing, including walking away at the end, leads me to believe that this isn't the kind of thing a good cop just did on a bad day. I imagine that this police officer has victimized people to various degrees throughout his entire career. How his peers on the force have not done anything about it is a little worrisome. Law enforcement do so much good in this country, it's so unfortunate to see this be how they are perceived by so many.

More on the story: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/us/south-carolina-officer-charged-murder/index.html

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO3Ix_GIyI
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MSgt Michael Durkee
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This incident is shocking and disgusting, it happened in a location that I drive through daily to get to work. The area is known as a high crime area and there is a significant police officer patrol presence, when the story first broke in the local newspaper I had a gut feeling that there was something wrong with the officer's statement.

Throughout North Charleston most traffic stops that I've witnessed had a minimum of two police cars, sometimes as many as four. Why there weren't more officers present for backup is a bit baffling, but ultimately, as we can see from the video...this officer chose to shoot an unarmed man in the back while he was fleeing. Pathetic.
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LTC John Shaw
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Yinon,
This appears to be an act of homicide, I don't see how the officer or an objective observer can justify the use of force.
This demonstrates the URGENT need to develop, use and train police officers on non-lethal means needs to be protect the officer and the public.
The officer needs to be tried by jury and if found guilty, convicted.
This is a sad day for the family of the deceased caused by the officer who failed to follow any type of escalation of force rules.
The citizens of South Carolina should demand actions to prevent this type of action in the future.
This family needs to be compassionately responded to by the major or responsible civil authority.
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Sgt Lauren Weigand
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Whether this police officer was right or wrong this video is going to rob him of his life. I can already see it coming.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
LTC Yinon Weiss
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I suppose that's what happens when you shoot an unarmed man 8 times in the back in broad day light.
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SSG Tim Everett
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LTC Yinon Weiss we also shouldn't forget or overlook the fact that the officer went back for his lost stungun and planted it on the dude after he shot him.
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I think the word we are struggling for here is Accountability. I only see one life ending in the video.
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SFC J4
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He killed someone..he is not being robbed of his life... he forfeited that right when he decided to kill an unarmed black 50 year old man
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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CMC Robert Young
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Edited 9 y ago
As somebody who has spent 35 years in civilian and military law enforcement, I have a couple of observations about not only the video, but how situations like this in general. For that reason, I choose other because the first three options are not adequate for such a complex issue.

First, the video is inflammatory and damning; however, it is without context. We (the royal we) should have grave concerns, and we should demand answers, but we simply don't know (and we won't know until there is a thorough comprehensive investigation) all of the facts surrounding the event.

I'm not saying the police officer is right; or that he is wrong. I'm saying let the process take place, and the actual entire truth will eventually come out; not the mere seconds of video, but the whole unadulterated truth. Despite the widely publicized failures in the system, if we are patient enough to set aside our emotion and take a more intelligent approach, most times the system/process works just like it should. During the course of my career, I have been associated with a number of police officers who have been party to deadly enforce encounters. Those who did what they should were exonerated. Those who did not suffered the consequences including jail sentences.

Remember, none of us swore an oath to protect an individual. We all swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution. That Constitution provides for an exhaustive deliberate process by which we as society bring forth justice. Let's honor our oath. Let's be smart enough to let the process work. The whole truth will come out.

Second, what makes this so shocking is that it doesn't happen every day. If the police were wild renegade crazy people shooting whoever they pleased and this happened daily, we would just come to expect it. The media's 24 hour a day cable news cycle seeking sensational stories to drive rating colors our judgment, but the actual facts don't support a nation oppressed by police. Quite the contrary. I read recently that there are 600,000 to 700,000 law enforcement officer in America today. How many of those officers very professionally without anyone noticing resolved their calls for service; investigated potential criminal suspects; arrested those suspected of committing offenses; completed traffic stops having either issued a summons or a warning; or interacted in a hundred other ways with the society that pays their salary without a hint of violence? And how many were involved in some behavior that dishonored their oath? We think about the exception; not the rule.

Third, to say this happens on regular basis is unsupportable by the facts. It simply doesn't and anybody willing to purge themselves of the emotion attached to this issue and truly study the facts will find such clear cut evidence to that end. Almost everybody I've ever talked to about police misconduct has no idea what they're saying. When questioned carefully, suddenly they know a guy who knows a guy who was actually there; or they don't understand how/why police officers do what they do, and subsequently chalk it up as misconduct.

To say that police make tough decisions and there shouldn't be consequences for those decisions is not fair to society or the police for that matter. From failure, comes improvement. When the police don't do as well as we expect, then there has to be a careful examination of the circumstances, and steps taken to mitigate any such event from occurring later.

To say that because it rarely happens is to say that it's not a problem isn't fair to society or the police either. Society asks much of it police, and it should expect their best effort every day. Bad police officers make it hard on good police officer because the 24 hour a day media will beat this horse until far beyond its death without ever acknowledging the success stories that happen every day without notice because we don't celebrate quiet successes in this country anymore. We ruminate on the failures of others because that sells advertising.

A final thought. I'm continually amazed at the number of people with whom I have contact who with no training, experience, education or insight are perfectly comfortable telling me how poorly I do my job; or even how to do my job. How many of those people would take the same approach with the doctor treating them for cancer? Or the dentist filling their tooth? Or their lawyer pursuing correction a legal wrong? Or for that matter the plumber unclogging their drain? Food for thought.
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MSgt Steve Miller
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MCPO Robert Young; Excellent comment and clearly full of wisdom!
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SPC Mikki Ekanger
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I've had officers twist my words to make me sound crazy taking something I said out of context. I've had officers fail to write police reports for an incident in which I was wrongfully accused, charged and later had those same charges dismissed based on a lie told to police. I've been in situations where I have become a proponent of recording your exchanges with police. An objective witness is always a good thing. A recording keeps both sides in check or reveals which side (or if both sides) were out of line. I have an ex wife that harasses me every chance she gets. She's harrassed me through military and civilian contacts making allegations that were not only unsubstantiated but also investigated and unfounded yet continued to lie. Had I done that to her I would have been arrested, so yeah I'm a little leerie around cops. That doesn't mean I'm not going to demand one be fired or jump on some silly ass bandwagon without facts, because I know what its like to have facts twisted to fit an agenda. Let it play out and the facts will come to light. It doesn't look good, is there a bacskstory. When that OK cop shot that guy and it looked like he had shot him in the back someone actually analyzed a frame by frame of it and was able to determine that after the guy picked up a gun he dropepd he aimed at the officer. It's sad that he lost his life, but what really irritated me about that was the last several minutes edited out. Most of the videos online didn't show the part where the officer leans on squad car hits it, cusses and starts to cry. Why would the press show it? It would humanize the cop. It would destroy the "Racist white cop kills black man" narrative. I found the extended version on youtube. Not on the news. Why? That's where we as Americans have to hold our media accountable to report the truth not the agenda.
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This is a major issue that Law Enforcement struggles with. There are bad cops out there. There are not many but those few make it really hard for everyone else. I was a cop for about 3 years. I enjoyed it but not the constant battles you would have with some people for issues that you had not control over. It is just really eerie how he reacted. He just shoot him down like it was a common chore. I have read a bit on this and it upsets me that this happens. This one, former officer, just made it harder for every other officer in the United States.
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BG David Fleming III
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As a strong advocate for Law enforcement, I want to wait until all the facts are presented before making any judgement call.  While the video is compelling, it doesn't tell the stress, the atmosphere, or the surroundings the officer faced prior to the shooting.  I'll wait! 
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BG David Fleming III I have read a few different reports out there. He was in a vehicle stop and it seems he fled to the the grass lot. At this point I would have let him run. I had his car. He would have come and get it from the Police impound lot. But pride gets in the way.

"According to the police reports, the shooting unfolded after Officer Slager stopped a Mercedes-Benz with a broken taillight. Walter L. Scott, aged 50, is alleged to have made a run for it with officer Slager chasing him into a grassy lot. The officer then alleges he fired his Taser and that Scott ran off with the taser, threatening the officer."

What does the cop do after the shooting. He moves the taser to the side of the victim. He had no weapons, was fleeing, and wasn't a threat. I can understand shooting one in the back if they are a danger to others nearby or if they were armed. But in the video I didn't see him threatening the officer. I didn't hear any commands either. It is pretty damning for the cop.
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Based on my own experience as a civilian LEO, this is a rare instance. As with any occupation, there are bad apples. Perhaps this is not a bad apple, but a case of poor decision-making? Either way it is murder.

We (LEOs) are all trained in standing laws regarding fleeing felon & when deadly force is authorized in such cases - ONLY when the fleeing suspect poses an immediate threat to others. This suspect does not appear to be carrying anything while fleeing.

I do not think that this is a prevalent issue with LEOs. Due to recent media coverage it appears that it is rampant & that is what the uninformed will believe because that is what is presented to them. We must remember, there are only 2 things that sell in the news: sex & death.
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CMC Robert Young
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A1C, your point about the media driving opinion is spot on. Always has been, and always will be. What makes this situation noteworthy is that it's not an every day event. It's news, and offensive because it's not the norm.
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SPC Mikki Ekanger
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This video is harder to tell than others, but I do know that not every time a cop pulls the trigger is murder. The court of public opinion has muddied the waters between good shoots and bad shoots. That being said, even if the cop is wrong, you can invoke your rights without fighting. He's the guy with the gun.
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I do believe this is a rare case. I am always reluctant to judge based on a short video because one does not know what went on before. But, the fact the the officer is facing murder charges indicates this is real.

I could not vote it is rare so it is not a problem. It is certainly a problem in this case.
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
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We had a similar case in Louisville, KY a few years ago.

Police shot a 15 year old 6 times in the back as he started running away from him.

Witnesses and everything.

No video though.

The cop walked.

It is more common than you think Capt (Join to see) .
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I was on the police's side on the cases of Michael Brown, Eric Garner and even 12 y/o Tamir Rice. Police officers have difficult split-second decisions to make and their job is extremely dangerous. It basically boils down to this: be a law-abiding citizen, obey police commands (even if you think you're right) and don't be waving toy guns at police. Now, shooting someone in the back 8 times won't get you sympathy from anyone. That is murder; there's no better way to put it.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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then you aren't really part of the solution CPT Santana. There is reasonable force and then there is unjustified but state sanctioned murder. In the case of Eric Garner and Tamir Rice it was the latter. In no scenario should we allow ourselves to be comfortable with the idea of death being the punishment for selling illegal cigarettes. If you watch the video the man was subdued using a technique that the NYPD itself has banned. I can understand folks defending Officer Pantaleo because they can't relate to the victim but that doesn't excuse the fact that his death was in fact extrajudicial. You can't tell me that six officers couldn't take him down or get him to comply without his life being forfeit. As for Tamir Rice, I'll speak in a language we both can understand as Infantry Officers. Suppose you receive intel than an enemy is armed and in a general vicinity of your Company. Do you dispatch a platoon to go headlong to face him or stand at a distance, develop the situation then move in? The phone call to the dispatch mentioned that the gun was possibly fake, granted it looked real. So lets assume it was real. The patrol car actually rolls up to within 3 feet of a suspect that is supposedly armed. This by the way is not a tactic that is taught in any Police Academy. Within two second of arrival the 12yr old kid is shot and left to bleed out. Six months later no investigation. If you excuse something that is clearly not excusable you allow it to fester and become the norm until it finally reaches someone you care about.
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CPT Ahmed Faried Police officers are trained to eliminate the threat and are faced with split-second decisions on a daily basis. Garner was resisting arrest and that's why he died, not because of the cigarettes or his 33 previous arrests. The police had no way of knowing he had a medical condition. Re: choke hold, we know what the news says but none of us has actually read an NYPD training manual. This fine police force conducts over 200,000 arrests a year. Given that humans are involved, there will be errors. Yet I'm sure that 99.99% of their arrests go without incident. Pretty good, huh?

Re: Rice, where were his parents? Did he look like a 12 y/o to you in that video? Also, the video doesn't tell you how long the officers had been developing the situation. You can't wait for an innocent bystander to get shot. Not trying to justify anything, just thinking as a police officer facing a potentially dangerous situation.

Unfortunately, the media selectively highlights divisive cases. Dillon Taylor, an unarmed white man, was killed by a black officer around the same time that Brown was killed in Ferguson. Did you know about this? Most people don't. Fact: none of these people were model citizens. Criminals, as in repeat offenders and regardless of race, have no place in our society, even if they're my relatives.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/447379/why-isnt-media-covering-killing-unarmed-white-youth-by-black-police-officer
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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I see where this is going. Victims are oftentimes put on trial and made to answer for their own deaths and you are taking part in that. Yes tamir Rice deserved to be shot because of absent parents, ditto Eric garner because of his 33 previous arrest (for non-serious crimes but why add that to the narrative) etc and ad nauseum. You bring up that link as though I differentiate. Look, it does not matter the race of the cop. If their use of lethal force is questionable and/or unjustified they should be held accountable.
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