Posted on Mar 4, 2014
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Yesterday while driving back to military housing here @ DLI, I saw a car of a student (we have tags in our cars for staff and for students for parking), so while at a red light, I noticed a sticker with Obama's picture and not my president next to it. So my question is, since we took an oath to defend the consitution and obey the orders of the president, for a SM, is it proper to put a statement like that for everyone to see? I know we have freedom of speech and all of that, but wouldn't be more proper if you don't like the incumbent, just exercise your right to vote and vote them out, but in the meanwhile obey his or her orders
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"Do I think it's appropriate, or respectul? No. But it appears that is allowed according to DoDD 1344.10. "A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may: (Para 4.1.1.8) Display a political bumper sticker on the member's private vehicle". There are further restrictions on "contemptous words", but those only apply to commissioned officers."
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SFC(P) Counterintelligence (CI) Agent
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I've got one even better for you SFC.  I saw an Anonymous (the hacker group) bumper sticker in the NSAG parking lot here at Ft. Gordon...
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you might have a member over there in the signal world HQ
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LCpl Mark Lefler
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they're probably just a fan boy.. anyone who would be serious about "anonymous" isnt going to advertise it.
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Maybe so, but at an NSA site that bumper sticker is a sure way to get extra attention placed on you
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Maybe so, but at an NSA site that bumper sticker is a sure way to get extra attention placed on you
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SFC Vernon McNabb
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I guess my response to the original post would be this: The President is an elected official. If somebody did not vote for him, and wished to express the opinion under the 1st Amendment, then whatever. As far as the response comparing the president to a CPT, LTC etc., I have to go with this logic:
President = Elected
Military positions = Selected (i.e. Commander, BN CO, 1SG et al)
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SFC Mark Merino
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Freedom of speech doesn't truly exist until you are no longer subject to UCMJ. The President, popular or not, right or wrong, loved or hated, is the Commander in Chief. A bumper sticker of that nature is INAPPROPRIATE..............for service members. Wait till they hand you your DD-214 and your retirement flag.
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My feelings are nearly in sync with yours. As soldiers, we are compelled by oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States, no matter who or what party they are. And as such, we should not be posting stickers on our vehicles going one way or the other. After our time served, I don't see an objection, but as we are in service, we should show our loyalty by demonstrating neutrality.
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DoDD 1344.10 (Political activities by members of the Armed Forces) para 4.1.1.8 states that you may display a political bumper sticker on your privately owned vehicle.

I understand that as Soldiers we must remain apolitical, but this is not a Soldier protesting in uniform. It is a bumper sticker displayed on a privately owned vehicle and not a government vehicle. While it may not be tasteful, it is allowed. I would recommend to all my leaders to lead by example and leave things like that out of the work environment where there is influence to junior Soldiers which could lead to order and discipline problems.
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SSgt Sncoic (Staff Non Commission Officer In Charge)
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The first question I would pose to that SM would be, "did you vote"? It is incredible to me the amount of service members who do not vote, because of some misconstrued notion that their vote does not matter. Where else in the military do we have the opportunity to have a say in who becomes the next CIC? My personal opinion is that if you did not  excersise your right to vote, you don't have a right to an opinion. BUT, If you did vote, you have every right to be critical of your superiors. We follow orders, but we are also critical of those orders and the efficacy of those orders. We have every right to stand up and say something if something is wrong. Placing it on a bumper sticker is neither the forum or the appropriate way to do so. What does it accomplish? Not a damn thing. Educate yourself, subordinates and your superiors if need be about the issues and the political process, and how to actually make a difference or become involved. It really is sickening to see Iraqis risking their lives for the ability to vote, and so many in this country do not even care to try to. 
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<p>First of all common sense would remind us that it is wrong.&nbsp; The president in CINC and so he is our president,&nbsp; politics notwithstanding.&nbsp;&nbsp; That said,&nbsp; discretion might also save your career.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A seemingly benign statement may be construed as disrespectful.</p><p><br></p><p>As I have said,&nbsp; "some never gave President Bush that respect but two wrongs does not make it right.</p>
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SSG Jeffery Haynes
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Edited 12 y ago


DoD Directive 1344.10, "Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces" February 19. 2008 states:

 

4.1.1. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may:

 

 

4.1.1.8. Display a political bumper sticker on the member’s private vehicle.

 

I have political bumper stickers on my truck that some would probably find disparaging to the Commander in Chief, but as long as they are not visible from a distance I don't see a problem with it. As long as they don't go overboard and call for physical harm or make overt threats to an individual they're protected speech IMHO.

 

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SSG Edward Tilton
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As long as no one can see them. Whoever wrote that will go far
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Cpl David Hall
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It is completely legitimate. you swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution first and foremost and orders afterwards. All military have a duty not to follow morale or illegal orders.
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