Posted on Jul 11, 2015
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I want everyone's opinion on all the recent claims to thinking banning a flag will somehow stop racism. You can't even buy a confederate flag on eBay anymore. Where does the military community see the future of this country going?
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I've posted many times that it is our ever connected, click bait and sound bite, 140 character or less, meme-driven culture that is to blame.

Nobody was offended until they were told to be offended, then it goes viral...And I can think of no better phrase because it is a disease.

People don't even know what it means to be offended anymore, they just wait to be told.

It's all a part of the divide and conquer strategy. If we are so busy arguing about meaningless and trivial matters, we can't it won't pay attention to what really matters.

I had a colonel tell me once, "If you cannot measure what is meaningful, you will assign meaning to that which you can measure." I find this true, not just of things that are measurable, but in broader terms. We tend to condense things down into trite little catch phrases and they become slogans and issues into themselves. It's ludicrous when your stop and really think about it.

...But that is the issue, nobody really thinks anymore. PC is just a weapon in the toolbox of the intellectually challenged. It defies reason, Principe, and logic, yet it endures. It's proponents vilify any discourse as unreasonable or ignorant or hateful. It demonizes free speech and thought.

Yes. It is ruining the country and taking the military with it.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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"If you cannot measure what is meaningful, you will assign meaning to that which you can measure."
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Needs to write a Management textbook!
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Our society is based on instant gratification! Social media and electronic communication has made this the standard and not the norm. With that being said, no one is interested in feel-good stories or subjects. Controversy and highly debated issues get attention and stir emotions and get responses. Unfortunately, this occurs with the masses not even questioning the relevance or truth of the issues they are presented with.
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@CW3 Nick Koeppen: You are correct. Everything is designed to elicit a purely emotional response instead of a reasoned one. People get mad at you and say you have no heart or empathy if you try to reason with them because they are dealing with emotional decision making instead of a rational thought process.

The other aspect is morality. People claim they are arguing based on what is morally right, but morals, like it or not, are subjective and subject to emotion and societal pressure, plus they are individualistic. Further, these same people often conflate morals with principle, which muddies the water considerably depending on the topic.

People strive to feel good about themselves. How they go about it are the tactics and their measures of self worth are the strategies, but the objective is largely the same. These instant "protests" and "mass offense campaigns" allows them to feel part of something bigger than themselves that they identify as "right" or "good", thereby justifying their emotional response and taking shelter from logic or reason in the voice and inertia of the masses of others who are just like them.
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I think this comes down to intent. The flag is an important part of our country's history, no matter what feelings surround it. It represented the confederacy in one of the most trying times in our country’s history, as such it is a symbol of our past. Through unforgivable acts which occurred in the second half of the last century the flag was partially turned into a racial symbol surrounded by hate and controversy. Those trials and tribulations need to be forever put behind us and used as a lesson for the future not a constant point of contention hurting us as a society.

There are a number of proud southerners that fly the flag in the same manner as folks fly or display flags from various other countries. Should we ban the flying or displaying of every flag but the American one in order to prevent any possible offense they may cause? Because of the elevated social sensitivity occurring these days, people immediately look at the flag as a symbol that attacks certain members of our society. Is this over sensitivity right, or is it just a product of the social tension we are currently experiencing? If the intent is to discriminate I don’t think it should be allowed, but how can this be determined or enforced without stomping on citizens’ rights?

I don’t know what the right answer is, but think that banning the flag all together is along the same lines as removing the words “Merry Christmas” because it could possibly be seen as offensive. Somewhere we have to draw the line and stop being so sensitive as a society, this includes realizing we have to see and tolerate expressions that we do not necessarily agree with.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/11/walmart-to-melt-class-rings-bearing-confederate-flag-rather-than-complete/
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I remember the first time the Confederate flag debate occurred in SC. While a compromise was reached, I can't help thinking that if social media was at its current level then, that flag would have been gone 15 years ago.

Ultimately, our nation tends to generate a lot of thin skinned pansies who get bent out of shape over the dumbest little thing.

Christians are offended by Muslims, homosexuality and flags that aren't in accordance with their beliefs.

Too many people are offended by a flag that they feel is inappropriate -- whether it be a relic from history or a rainbow laden banner.

Veterans are offended by flag desecration (I am one of them), BUT we have the presence of mind to acknowledge our service and in some cases sacrifice, have given these buffoons that right. Additionally, a veteran is most likely to hand out an ass whooping if someone so much mistreats our beloved flag because they know the general public will get behind them.

This country is being blinded by its own sense of self-righteousness and instead of trying to improve the human condition and spirit to make society better, we're still fighting the issues that tore the nation apart from the Civil War all the way to the Civil Rights movement.
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