Posted on Aug 28, 2015
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The United States Navy has been shrinking for decades and is now at levels last seen in the 1930’s. Politicians on both sides of the aisle say they want to reverse that trend. But is a larger Navy really affordable?

Today’s Navy has 273 active duty ships—14% fewer than were afloat on 9/11. During his 2012 presidential campaign, Mitt Romney proposed a plan to get the Navy to 350 ships. Many of this year’s Republican presidential candidates have called for rebuilding lost naval capacity as well. But making the Navy larger and stronger Navy is actually a bipartisan position. The Obama administration’s budget calls for getting to a 308-ship Navy by 2022 and growing it to 321 ships in 2028.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2015/08/25/politicians_and_analysts_call_for_larger_navy_can_we_afford_it_108407.html
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SCPO Penny Douphinett
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As we've all seen, China has become so emboldened, they are creating islands to become ports where they want them and no one can stop them. The UN can try and condemn the actions, but that is an empty threat. As others have said the only real deterrent is the US fleet being at sea where needed. An impossible goal these days as we just don't have the ships or the personnel to man them.

Will the government do something before it is too late? Probably not, we lack Statesmen who put the Country first. I don't think it is impossible to provide support to our most vulnerable citizens at the same time we provide for a strong deterrent and defense. It takes strong leadership and ethical behavior on the part of ALL our elected officials. Commonsense in funding across the board is needed not slash and burn.

We don't need hungry, homeless families anymore than we need hungry, homeless veterans. We need a strong military presence to prevent the "wolves" from knocking at our door. There is no reason, except for lack of ethical leadership across all parties, that the U.S. can't do it all.
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Fantastic, logical response SCPO Penny Douphinett . Thank you.
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PO3 Sherry Thornburg
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Shouldn't have drown it down so bad in the first place.
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Good assessment PO3 Sherry Thornburg.
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Ships cost money to build and use. Every time frame you can name in American history sees the need for a strong Navy, but then when crisis time was over, decides there is no need anymore. the Government then sells off, destroys or moth-balls ships as fast as it can. So keeping a good strong Navy is only important when the wolves are at the door. Bad thing is, most of what the Navy does is out of sight, so out of mind.
Little fact - When we left the Philipines in 1992, piracy went up 4 fold in that area.
Something like 95% of commerce is on the oceans so protecting shipping is the biggest job.
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SP5 William Glass
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We cannot afford not to put together a larger Navy. We have been able to afford it in the past so I'm sure the money is there so just cut out the nonsense subsidies and focus on our National Security.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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We better. At one time we had 200 ships under maintenance, 200 underway, 200 getting ready. We were easily able to meet mission and maintenance requirements. Then politicians with no concept of operational requirements cut that number down to less than half while scheduling longer deployments. Now we can meet mission, or maintenance, but not both. Something has to give. Unfortunately, in a salt water environment with a steel hull that something is the ship. With the super aggressive China has taken with dramatic increases in military spending particularly with their stance on sea areas controlled by the Phillipines and Viet Nam. Still, we sit still not bothering to adjust our measured response. It takes a damn long time now to build a ship, put it through trials, and have it ready for deployment. The longer we wait to adjust our inventory of ships, the worse it will be.
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Glad to see a new generation that knows Viet Nam is TWO words, not one!!!
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Never thought about that Donnie. You need to lift your block on me. I've gotten more mellow and nicer. Sorry about whatever I did.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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While Active Duty I bought military history books in the book sjp on base for a couple of years, one a pay day. WWII Pacific, Viet Nam, Korea. We are doomed to repeat mistakes we don't learn from. If only I could impart that knowledge into some of my oldest son's generation. They don't see the hooks in the problems of being governed badly because they aren't educated in the historical parralels.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Clearly we can't afford it, because our government is so bloated we are still operating at a deficit. The same politicians who want to increase our Navy, are unwilling to cut spending, or eliminate programs that do not even have a reason for being, Constitutionally speaking.
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser, I see what you mean. Yes, all of that is important.
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser
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SGT (Join to see) - unfortuneately it appears so
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Times are a changing CDR Kenneth Kaiser. Difficult to reason some of the changes.
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser
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I just wonder at the leadership. With all the challenges we are facing (not just from a Navy perspective) our leadership including the civilians, seem to think these problem (i.e. the social problems, are the most critical. To me it is criminal. I remember when we had Admirals that were leaders, now we have politicians
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SN Stgsn
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we may need to look to upgrading what all we currently have before we build new ships, and don't forgot about that debt ceiling, though politicians be like, "RAISE THE ROOF!"

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It's all about the money SN (Join to see) .
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