Posted on Oct 15, 2016
Politics aside, do you agree with Clinton's suggestion, recommending stricter background checks for those wanting to purchase weapons?
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Note: I am not saying I support Hillary Clinton, nor am I saying she plans on intruding on the 2nd Amendment. I am asking, do you agree with her recommendations for stricter background checks on those who want to purchase weapons? Do we, as a country, need a better system in place when it comes to purchasing weapons? Should these purchase be regulated or is it no one's business? What's your take?
2nd Amendment
Weapons
Handguns and Pistols
Hillary Clinton
Constitution
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I'll give the process for my State.
You go to your local gun shop and pick out your weapon of choice. You fill out an ATF form and hand over your Drivers License so the shop can send that information to NICS the FBI background check system. If nothing pops up then you pay for your weapon including the tax and you can walk out with it.
What more is there? You have to hand over a valid drivers license and fill out a federal form and then get a background check through a federal agency. How do we increase the background check?
I sold a shotgun I no longer used to a friend of a family member. There was no background check, it was a private sale, no federal entity could have been involved even if they wanted to be. So how does her idea of background checks stop what I did? It was perfectly legal to do, at least in my State but even if it wasn't who was going to stop me? The invisible police?
More laws, increased background checks which doesn't make sense at least to me, and increased taxes will not stop criminals just restrict law abiding citizens.
You go to your local gun shop and pick out your weapon of choice. You fill out an ATF form and hand over your Drivers License so the shop can send that information to NICS the FBI background check system. If nothing pops up then you pay for your weapon including the tax and you can walk out with it.
What more is there? You have to hand over a valid drivers license and fill out a federal form and then get a background check through a federal agency. How do we increase the background check?
I sold a shotgun I no longer used to a friend of a family member. There was no background check, it was a private sale, no federal entity could have been involved even if they wanted to be. So how does her idea of background checks stop what I did? It was perfectly legal to do, at least in my State but even if it wasn't who was going to stop me? The invisible police?
More laws, increased background checks which doesn't make sense at least to me, and increased taxes will not stop criminals just restrict law abiding citizens.
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I think gun rights restrictions should mirror voting rights restrictions. If one needs an ID and NICS check to buy a weapon you need both to vote as well. If one can't have a weapon in Chicago than one cannot vote in Chicago. The second amendment and voting are both Constitutional rights one in writing and the other implied that should not be infringed.
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You know, I've wondered at these Stricter Background Checks. As a gun owner, I went thru a background check. I have a friend who buys and sells at gun shows, and I asked him about this "Loophole" that I've heard so much about. He gave me a rather blank look, "Huh? Look, when someone wants to purchase from me, I call in their information, same as any gun dealer, and I don't allow those who can't pass it, to purchase.."
Not sure if this is true for other people or places, but after checking on the 'rules' about gun buying, I'm not sure what this "Loophole" is.
I am all for background checks on buying weapons though, and I wish that there was some way we could keep those with mental problems from owning them, but I'm not sure what you could do that wouldn't be considered as invasive...
Not sure if this is true for other people or places, but after checking on the 'rules' about gun buying, I'm not sure what this "Loophole" is.
I am all for background checks on buying weapons though, and I wish that there was some way we could keep those with mental problems from owning them, but I'm not sure what you could do that wouldn't be considered as invasive...
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Former gun dealer here. 20 second explanation of the "loophole" follows:
Gun Dealers are REQUIRED to do Background Checks. Period.
Person to Person sales (in state) do not have that same requirement. It is EXPLICITLY ALLOWED by the SAME LAW that requires Background checks. There is no "loophole." The idea is that if YOU (used in the general) want to sell a weapon to someone you know (who is not disqualified from owning a weapon), you can do so. Like a family member, or a friend, etc. "Gun shows" have nothing to do with it.
The reason it is called the "Gun Show Loophole" is because people meet at gun shows and it is possible to do Person to Person transactions there (in some states. Not all states allow them). You could do the same thing in a Denny's parking lot.
Gun Dealers are REQUIRED to do Background Checks. Period.
Person to Person sales (in state) do not have that same requirement. It is EXPLICITLY ALLOWED by the SAME LAW that requires Background checks. There is no "loophole." The idea is that if YOU (used in the general) want to sell a weapon to someone you know (who is not disqualified from owning a weapon), you can do so. Like a family member, or a friend, etc. "Gun shows" have nothing to do with it.
The reason it is called the "Gun Show Loophole" is because people meet at gun shows and it is possible to do Person to Person transactions there (in some states. Not all states allow them). You could do the same thing in a Denny's parking lot.
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
Thank you for that, I have little understanding of the ins and outs of selling weaponry. I just buy them, and apparently, having gone thru a background check each and every time has apparently confused me about the constant tirade of LOOPHOLE. I have learned something and I appreciate the knowledge!
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MSG Jay Jackson
The problem has in my opinion has always been private sales. A lot of guns are traded or sold privately without background checks and that's is how some folks get over. So how many guns must a private seller move a year to be considered a dealer? I live in TN and can sell to anyone in the state as long as I feel they are safe to sell to. Before I transfer a firearm I also want to see a CCW permit an have them do the 4417 and have it ran to see if they are good to go. Also if we had stiffer penalties on guns stolen from govt. agencies we might stop some deaths. I saw a report a few weeks ago where some Leo's in CA had lost hundreads of guns in like three years. That should be a see you later thing when you lose you gun. I won't even get going on the ATF.
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No, its very simple. We have very well written laws already. They would work well enough if we enforced them and actually prosecuted people for lying on gun application forms. If we go any further at least IMHO we run the risk of violating more amendments of the constitution than just the 2nd.
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TSgt James Carson
I agree. There are more laws on the books against gun owners than laws against driving impaired, not insured or licenced. It's just a gun grab by federal and state governments so as to control the population. Too bad most people don't see it even when government is intruding in our lives more each month.
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I would IF, the back ground checks were done as the law was written when back ground checks were passed into law.
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