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One columnist of a major news periodical thinks so.

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You know that racist flag? The one that supposedly honors history but actually spreads a pernicious myth? And is useful only to venal right-wing politicians who wish to exploit hatred by calling it heritage? It’s past time to pull it down.

Oh, wait. You thought I was referring to the Confederate flag. Actually, I’m talking about the POW/MIA flag.

I told the story in the first chapter of my 2014 book The Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan: how Richard Nixon invented the cult of the “POW/MIA” in order to justify the carnage in Vietnam in a way that rendered the United States as its sole victim.

It began, as cultural historian H. Bruce Franklin has documented, with an opportunistic shift in terminology. Downed pilots whose bodies were not recovered—which, in the dense jungle of a place like Vietnam meant most pilots—had once been classified “Killed in Action/Body Unrecovered.”

During the Nixon years, the Pentagon moved them into a newly invented “Missing in Action” column. That proved convenient, for, after years of playing down the existence of American prisoners in Vietnam, in 1969, the new president suddenly decided to play them up.

He declared their treatment, and the enemy’s refusal to provide a list of their names, violations of the Geneva Conventions—the better to paint the North Vietnamese as uniquely cruel and inhumane. He also demanded the release of American prisoners as a precondition to ending the war.

This was bullshit four times over: first, because in every other conflict in human history, the release of prisoners had been something settled at the close of a war; second, because these prisoners only existed because of America’s antecedent violations of the Geneva Conventions in bombing civilians in an undeclared war; third, because, as bad as their torture of prisoners was, rather than representing some species of Oriental despotism, the Vietnam Communists were only borrowing techniques practiced on them by their French colonists (and incidentally paid forward by us in places like Abu Ghraib): see this as-told-to memoir by POW and future senator Jeremiah Denton. And finally, our South Vietnamese allies’ treatment of their prisoners, who lived manacled to the floors in crippling underground bamboo “tiger cages” in prison camps built by us, was far worse than the torture our personnel suffered.

(Time magazine quoted one South Vietnamese official who was confronted with stories of released prisoners moving “like crabs, skittering across the floor on buttocks and palms,” and responded with incredulity that such survivors even existed: “No one ever comes from the tiger cages alive.”)

Be that as it may: It worked. American citizens enacted a bizarre psychic reversal. A man from Virginia Beach, Virginia, described to a reporter the supposed treatment of American prisoners in North Vietnam: “They just dig holes in the ground and drop them in. They throw food down to them, and let them live there in their own waste.” In fact, that was how prisoners were treated in South Vietnam—as recently revealed in a shocking Life magazine exposé.

Children began wearing “POW bracelets,” drivers sported “POWs NEVER HAVE A NICE DAY” bumper stickers. As the late Jonathan Schell of The New Yorker memorably wrote during the war, the Americans were acting “as though the North Vietnamese had kidnapped 400 Americans and the United States had gone to war to retrieve them.”

Actually, it was worse: Whenever Nixon or one of his minions talked about the problem, they tended to use the number 1,400. The number of actual prisoners, was about 550. The number of downed, missing pilots were spoken of, prima facia, as if they were missing, too, although almost all of them were certainly dead.

And in 1971 that damned flag went up.

The flag was the creation of the National League of Families of Prisoners of War, later the National League of Families of American Prisoners and Missing in Southeast Asia, a fascinating part of the story in itself.

The organization was founded by POW wife Sybil Stockdale, during the Johnson administration, in an effort to embarrass LBJ and challenge his line that all in Vietnam was going swell. Johnson tried to silence them; Nixon’s people, however, spying opportunity, coopted the group, sometimes inventing chapters outright, to fan the propaganda flames.

Then the war ended, the POWs (yes, all the POWs) were repatriated to great fanfare, one of them declaring: “I want you to remember that we walked out of Hanoi as winners”—a declaration that seemed to suggest, almost, that by surviving, the POWs had won the Vietnam War.

The moral confusion was abetted by the flag: the barbed-wire misery of that stark white figure, emblazoned in black.

It memorializes Americans as the preeminent victims of the Vietnam War, a notion seared into the nation’s visual unconscious by the Oscar-nominated 1978 film The Deer Hunter, which depicts acts of sadism, which were documented to have been carried out by our South Vietnamese allies, as acts committed by our North Vietnamese enemies, including the famous scene pictured on The Deer Hunter poster: a pistol pointed at the American prisoner’s head at exactly the same angle of the gun in the famous photograph of the summary execution in the middle of the street of an alleged Communist spy by a South Vietnamese official.

By then, the league and its flag had become the Pentagon’s own Frankenstein’s monster. You can read about the mess that resulted in the definitive book on the subject: Until the Last Man Comes Home: POWs, MIAs, and the Unending Vietnam War by Northwestern University’s Michael J. Allen.

Allen describes how Vietnam’s “refusal” to “account for” a thousand phantoms became an impediment to reconciliation and diplomatic recognition between the two nations. (How bizarre, how insulting, how counterproductive this must have been to a nation that must have suffered missing corpses in the thousands upon thousands?)

A delegation led by Congressman Gillespie “Sonny” Montgomery (D-Miss.), chairman of the House Select Committee on Missing in Action in Southeast Asia, traveled to Vietnam in 1975, convinced of the Nixon administration’s deception that hundreds of “MIAs actually” existed.

The members of Congress returned home, having found their Communist hosts warm and accommodating, doubting there were any missing at all. In hearings, a CIA pilot captured there in 1965 testified: “If you take a wallet-full of money over there, you can buy all the information you want on POWs on the streets.”

The House committee also produced evidence that China had manufactured stories of MIA in Vietnamese prison camps in order to keep the U.S. from normalizing relations with China’s Asian rival. No matter that the flag’s promoters were abetting an actual, real-live Communist conspiracy, from its original sightings above VFW and American Legion posts, the “You Are Not Forgotten” flag became as common as kudzu.

Midwifing an entire metastasizing Pentagon bureaucracy, the League of Families would also become an irritant to every future president. By 1993, 17 Americans were stationed in Hanoi in charge of searching for the missing and working to repatriate remains. They were provided a budget of $100 million a year, “over 30 times the value of U.S. humanitarian aid paid to Vietnam,” Allen writes.

It would have been evidence of Ronald Reagan’s old saw that the closest thing to eternal life is a government program—if Reagan were not a prime culprit: In 1988, he became the first president to fly the flag over the White House. The next year, Congress installed the flag in the Capitol rotunda.

In 1990, it was designated “a symbol of our nation’s concern and commitment to restoring and resolving as fully as possible the fates of Americans still prisoner, missing and unaccounted for in Southeast Asia.” Thus ending the uncertainty for their families and the nation.

The League of Families also still exists, and “continues to work at keeping the pressure on both Washington and Hanoi to bring complete resolution to this issue on behalf of each family with a loved one still missing in Vietnam.” My own state of Illinois holds a ceremony every year to honor the “66 Illinoisans listed as MIA or POW in Southeast Asia.”

And Bernie Sanders posted an image of the POW/MIA flag on Facebook in response to Donald Trump’s insult against John McCain. The message read: “They are all heroes.”

Actually, as I document in The Invisible Bridge, it’s more complicated than that: many of the prisoners were anti-war activists. One member of the “Peace Committee” within the POW camps, Abel Larry Kavanaugh, was harassed into suicide after his return to the U.S. by the likes of Admiral James Stockdale, who tried to get Peace Committee members hanged for treason.

Stockdale would become one of the nation’s most celebrated former POWs and a vice-presidential candidate. Kavanaugh took his life in his father in law’s basement in Commerce City, Colorado, in June 1973. Americans would agree that one of them—Stockdale or Kavanaugh—is not a hero—though they would disagree about which one is which.
That damned flag: It’s a shroud. It smothers the complexity, the reality, of what really happened in Vietnam.

We’ve come to our senses about that other banner of lies. It’s time to do the same with this.

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SGT Jeremiah B.
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What the hell did I just read? I usually try to be generous and understanding, but yeah, I got nothin'. I think I just got dumber.
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Sgt Bill O'Rourke
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I am having a wee bit of trouble believing anything in this article. To say that "You are not forgotten" is racist is just mind numbing.
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LTC George Morgan
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This Flag can never be called "Racist"! Were seeing the "PC" movement removing statues from the, so called, Confederate States, when will the South start demanding the taking down of the Union States? Someone once said "If we forget our history, we are bound to repeat it." I was a British Officer, Royal Army Medical Corps, my family at home tell me, they can no longer have a picture of the Queen in their own home, WHAT?! Now, a Naturalized US Citizen, at this point I have lived 4 months longer in the US than I did in the UK. I have a son and a daughter in the US Army, he a SGM with 30 years in. Her a CW4, soon to be a 5. My position is that the world has gone crazy with "PC", look at someone sideways, expect trouble. To remove the POW/MIA flag is Rude and unforgiving to me, what will these people say to this immigrant's beliefs? May God Bless you for posting this article.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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I can see where you are coming from. Congratulations on your son and daughter. To Not have a picture of the queen in you home? What the hell is this? Khrushchev once said "we will destroy you from within". To bad he is not alive to see it. We are headed for a revolution. To many crazy's out there. Now we even have them in office. We need Trump back before they destroy America. The US is getting as corrupt as other countries. I cry when I think I went through two wars for this BS, Got to keep the faith sir. Thanks for your service.
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CPL Marc Livesey
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they must think with the IQ of a rock when writing this garbage.
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2015. The year of the weenie (or surgical removal thereof)...lol
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
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What? Granted there is more than enough information about the Vietnam War that we don't know, and being a POW is something short of being in hell. Anyone who served and found themselves a POW without capitulating automatically becomes respected as someone who suffered for this nation. All this despite the fact we should not have gotten involved in that damn war in the first place. John McCain falls in that category of respect despite the fact I disagreed with him on just about every political position he took. McCain clearly was influenced by those in the Shadow Government and embraced the goals of the Deep State. The POW/MIA flag will always be a symbol of respect for those who served, were imprisioned, suffered, still missing, and/or died without knowing their fate. If there is a back-story to the POW/MIA flag I personally don't care. Not knowing the fate of a loved one missing with no closure is agony. Put yourself in the shoes of a parent with a child kidnapped and is still missing. It alters your life forever not knowing their fate. For those who have a loved one MIA, that flag maybe the only thing they have to hang onto.
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PO3 Lawrence Anderson
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CPL Edward Varnhagen - that’s what I was going to say. That guy’s as twisted as some of my instructors/ fellow students after I got home and went to college.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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SFC Mark Merino - Time Rag has since the late 1950's been a Socialist/Communist propaganda rag you couldn't pay me to read it.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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CPO Roswell Echols - I totally agree with this, I have my POW/MIA Flag flying along side of the Stars and Stripes 7 days a week. I will continue doing so until they are all home come Hell or high water, NO-ONE will ever make me lower that flag and anyone who thinks they will had best have their life insurance paid in full. First Cavalry Division (Air Mobile) 3rd BDE 1965-1966.
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It was a decade ago my great uncles remains were discovered and flown back from Korea, and he was laid to rest in Arlington. I grew up looking at the plaque on my grandfathers wall that had his picture and purple heart. After all those years he made it home; he made it home because our nation didn't forget, and our nation will not forget!

Screw this guy.
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CPO Arthur Weinberger
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Our country always has been an enviable model for others to emulate. Enthralled your great uncle is home. Happy Holidays.
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Amn Cassandra Lynn
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RIP to your grandpa. I'm glad that he finally made it home.
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Amn Cassandra Lynn
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I'm sorry I meant to say your great uncle ❤️
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CPO Gerald Rahm
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This guy has to be on drugs so if he does like the POW flag then he must not like my POW hat , I will bet you that he has never been in the military a and does not know the word RESPECT
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POW/MIA Flag is Racist?
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First off, that was a stinking pile of revisionist history manure.
I know, I know. Lefty guy with Liberal Arts Degree, the USA is the bad guy and we should be eternally sorry for everything we ever did to everyone.
Well, Lefty who is ever so quick to forget that the world's history is full of bad things happening to good people, and the ones you so idolize commit injustices ever so small in relation to the giant monstrosities the United States commits - continue to bask in the freedom that POW/MIA and all those who serve provide you.
You conveniently forget that the very countries you think we invaded ever so unfairly would happily throw you in their darkest hole for similar comments. Ah, the Constitution that you would like to see dismantled, shrouds you in a protective cloak from which you can spew this BS.
Your miserable commentary is one of the many things we who wear the uniform are willing to die for. Something you will likely never understand nor experience. I envy you that you will never have to kiss your little girl goodbye for the third time in her young life, knowing you may not come home.

It is sad that you can't find something to be outraged about in current events that matter. Used to be responsible journalists kept a runaway government in check by informing the population of their transgressions. Not if you drink the Kool-Aid. It couldn't possibly be that JFK and LBJ were responsible for the war you currently decry. Nope, had to be Nixon. What a crock.
Why don't you write about the $10 Trillion dollars in debt that we've run up the past six years, for little or no gain? Maybe that a current Presidential candidate flaunts security regulations. Maybe the dismembering of unborn children for profit? Ongoing issues in Furguson?
No. Not when we have flags to be mad at.
You suck.
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Wow, I’ll be taking your words and “paying them forward”. This post was great.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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SPC Christopher Murano - Same here and I will be 78 12/2021.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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SPC Christopher Murano - Well, I got a good laugh at your response. I stared working as soon as I was old enough to collect eggs (on the farm) and quit when I turned 80. I retired at 39 and drew SS at 62. I am now 88. The only way to beat the system is to OUTLIVE it!!
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He only sees the flag while we military brothers and sisters have had these POW/MIA thoughts and prayers since the beginning of this nation. I am certain he built that article just to get a rise out of veterans. He isn't even worth the time or effort to talk to. Time to move on to more important issues. LOL.
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SSgt W. Aaron Gregory - Thank you for your homework. This guy never served and any military. He is one of those radical journalist. unfortunately, he gives modern conservatism a bad name. Let him bark everybody. It's all good. We gave him too much attention. I am done on this subject.
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SPC Christopher Murano
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He;s right in one sense: Vietnam was a completely FUBAR war, but how in the name of all that's holy, does remembering Prisoners of War and all the KIAs indicate racism?
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Sgt Robert Beckwith
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Vietnam wasn't a completely FUBAR war. The Army only shot at me once by accident. And being the Army y'all missed. I appreciate that.
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SPC Kurt Hesselden
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Sgt Robert Beckwith - lol glad they missed you, wish they had of missed me. Wasn't a FUBAR though, just faulty ords.
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I got nothing on this. This is just stupid to try and counter.
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SSG Russ Baker
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SP5 Grover Crail you are spot-on!
You Can't Fix Stupid! And the Author of that article holds a degree in stupid.
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CPT Ronald Scherick
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this stuff will only get worse the closer we get to the election I think they are desperate and want to call everything racist to rally their side of justice worriers. My dad flew on a b-24 in Italy and some of his crew were from the deep south and were very racist but when the Messerschmidt were closing in and the Tuskegee airmen showed up to chase them off they were just as glad as everyone else to see this fighters no mater who was flying them
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SSG Michael Doolittle
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CPT Ronald Scherick - But still racist....? probably just glad it was not their butts put in a recovery box
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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CPT Ronald Scherick - God bless your daddy!! Sometimes you have to be blessed with reality to know who you really are. We had Mig's come out after us and 104's chase them off. Tell all these crazies that that there can do what they are doing because of all the sacrifices of the military. Germany wanted all East of the Mississippi because of the industry and Japan wanted all west of the Mississippi because of agriculture. They should be dammed glad they do not have to speak Japanese or German or be dead.
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SFC Mark Merino
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I believe this boy either ate the lead based paint off the walls growing up or spent too much time squeezing the Charmin. This is some serious lefty hippy commie poopie.
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SGT Glenn E Moody
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sounds like he is still eating the lead paint he and all the others like him sleep good at night because of the freedom we gave them and safe guard for them. then they try to shit on us. every chance they get. but never to our face because i would rip his Adamsapple out and chew it up and spit it in his face i am the INFANTRY until the day i die and then some
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Maybe he ate a few Tide Pods and snorted rubbers too.
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grin
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SGM Erik Marquez
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One delusional man's writings who seeks his 15 minutes of fame does not make it worthy of my outrage or attention, ,, Attention which this man actually seeks...therefore i will not give.
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Exactly
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MSG Louis Alexander
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He's like a fart, once expelled the smell fades away and so will he. Ignore him and he’ll simply fade away, continue and he’ll dwell rent free in your mind.
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SGT John Graham
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No pun intended, but I love this analogy!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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TSgt Joshua Copeland The news columnist is an idiot and we can say that because this is a free country with free speech. Maybe we should ship him over to Afghanistan or Iraq and let him sit in a prisoner of war cell for about year. Maybe he would change his tune a little or put him out in one of the forward operating bases for about year and let him fend for himself and defend himself and then maybe he might get a clue what this flag represents. Its idiots like this that show us how little man have expanded their human brain capabilities over time. This individual is only using 2 percent while the rest of are using 10% of our capacity. I don't even acknowledge idiots like this!
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CPT Ronald Scherick
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The scary part is that all the college skulls full of mush read propaganda like this and will vote in the socialist democrats and defeat this great country from within. They have taken over the media and the education system. If we have any hope of keeping America America we have to get out and vote this November and keep the presidents party in the Majority or they will take back all their crumbs and impeach President Trump and clover up forever all the crimes Hillary committed and got covered up by the Obama machine.
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SSG Michael Doolittle
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So few in our society know what a soldier experiences on the frontiers of freedom, far from home, from family, and every moment in Harm's Way.... So few even have a connection to someone serving on these frontiers, so their comments are in kind of a vacuum, where they only hear their own thoughts... We are in an era of the "Conspiracy" and some see those everywhere like the "Deep State" which does not exist... I think about those lost, the ones who never returned, each and every day... On one two day period long ago we lost 55 of our finest, another 287 wounded.... America's Finest to be held in a place of honor FOREVER
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SPC William Szkromiuk
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I think we should volunteer him for boot camp. That would be a great article. Have him share his experiences. He can tell us how he cried for his mother during tear gas training.
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SGT Robert Pryor
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And you are bieng ind to the idiot, COL Mikel J. Burroughs.
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LTC Marc King
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This left wing ideolog was BORN in 1969 when many of us were in the jungles of Viet Nam - another subject matter expert, the better part of which ran down his fathers leg. He was not there does not know and could not care about the truth --- just prattle's on rewriting history to show America was wrong yet again. I reject him, his narrative and all of his ilk who tarnish the service of those who did more then just sit at a keyboard and reap the benefits of this country. There is honor and rememberence in the POW/MIA Flag - there is nothing racist about it.
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SSgt Dwight Deatherage
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Well said Sir
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SSG Michael Doolittle
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From one who served, Salute Sir.... I see only honor in the individual, maybe the politics of those days, the history of that involvement can be dissected, but those who served did so with honor
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SSG Michael Doolittle
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Marc, the war in Vietnam or the protest against it are not left wing ideology, war is not a 'mainstream' direction or National Goal... War is Humanities Failure to find solutions to human problems.. We are constantly diverted from the solutions by Political & Religious ideology, that old axiom of 'divide & conquer'.... When I look at the resources the world spends to kill and destroy, the lost lives and material, homes and communities, I am appalled that we can use the term "Civilized"... Even our own Government of the time of Vietnam refused to declare it a war, and that is required by our Constitution.... I cannot condemn those who protested or us who fought... It is our collective failure
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LTC Marc King
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SSG Michael Doolittle SSG the left wing ideology comment is applicable in this case. I did not imply that anything other than his misguided and pointless prattle were the result of his lack of understanding the ways of the real world. As for the rest of your response... way to deep for me. Stay safe...
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