Posted on Jan 4, 2014
MSG Martinis Butler
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If someone who out ranks you tells you to execute and perform a task should that lower enlisted Soldier ask "why"? Should you stop and explain? If we were deployed and being fired upon and that leader says "get down" are you going to need to explain "why" then?
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TSgt Hh 60 G Maintainer
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It's all about trust and confidence in the leader.


If a leader is trusted, and the subordinates know that the leader would not give unnecessary or dangerous orders, there will not be a question of "why?"


As General Patton said, “Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results.”    


When your troops understand what the end result is supposed to be, it gives them the creativity to get their piece of the job done.  As someone who has always worked smart and not hard, the job tends to get done quicker and better than when it is micro-managed by higher-ups.


Confidence in a leader is derived from the leader showing his Soldiers that s/he expects things to get done when expected, to the expected standard.  However, the leader should also convey his/her humanity, compassion, and understanding of their subordinates' situations.  When the Soldiers see that the leader properly balances the two sides of effective leadership, their confidence rises.  When their confidence rises, so does their morale and trust in the leader. 


Subordinates who question their leader's orders or intentions behind the orders are showing a lack of confidence in that leader.  That tracks back to the leader's style of leadership.  You can have Soldiers who do what you say because they fear you, or you can have Soldiers who do what you say because they trust you.  I tend towards the latter rather than the former.  Leadership is and always will be the fine art of striking the proper balances.  That being said, it's not for everyone.

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1SG Henry Yates
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Edited 12 y ago
After reading some of the responses below as one who am now in the Retirement ranks, it's soothing to see that many have really addressed the question open minded without direct assumption of a challenge to authority.  NCO's we advise our Officers, mentor and develop NCOs and Soldiers without labeling them "Soldier"/ "Non-Soldier" according to personal perception, bias, or belief.  We diligently look for potential in every action for a since of sincerity as Soldiers define their direction.  We get them on point with Mission and Command Goals and those who aren't interested in Mission and Command goals, they clearly define themselves after opportunities to correct their misdirection.  Authority is law based and defined by regulation in the Department of Defense and broken down by our Branches of Service even further in regulation by our Branches of Service.  Some regulation refers us to DOD regulation only and DOD forms that aren't open for Branch interpretation.  In similar fashion, our Branch administers regulation and policy that is not open for further interpretation by subordinate elements. 

Make no mistake, no rank or self proclaimed authority of a person in uniform with any rank will stand above regulation or law.  NCO's, we enforce regulation, law and advise our Officers, mentor and develop NCOs and Soldiers in compliance with law and regulation.  This discussion brings my mind to times in the military where I  faced a misconceived authority of someone, versus authority back by law and regulation.  (Lawful order versus unlawful orders, lawful directives versus unlawful directives.)  As a Non-Commissioned Officer and Leader in cases of blatant unlawful orders or directives, law and regulation challenge that authority.  You're the vessel to stand in it's foundation or its establishment with fortitude against the grain of the misconceived.  Just as you stand in that general authority, any service member in the ranks who are perceived as questioning authority, their motive for standing to question should at least be acknowledge with your self check to see if you are the misconceived authority; with humility before you steam up to admonishment.  In any rank you hold, you may be enforcing or face correction and you'd really appreciate your superior acknowledging your concern versus preemptive assumption that you disrespectfully challenge.  We all sharpen each other on this team.  The time you are the misconceived with your superior because you misunderstood law and regulation, you'd appreciate that person mentoring you, versus labeling you a piece of the puzzle that can't fit.  Be that mentor for your subordinates and deal with true disrespect by definition versus perception or assumption.  In the end law and regulation should always win; then we all win.
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I wish I had an appropriate amount of accolades for this post. But holy crap, well said! Thank you for your service by the way.
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1SG Henry Yates
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 Thank you for Serving SGT Frazer.  Thing you all face today present greater complication than what some of us face.  Thank you.
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Different stressors in different times. I would imagine an Army where Sergeants could literally smack around the lower enlisted was somewhat difficult to be raised in. Still, politics is a doosey to get used to!
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Clearly, there are different styles of Leadership that are best utilized based on the situation and immediacy of the task.  Some forms are better used for more mundane tasks, while others require more immediate, and unquestioned action. 

In non-emergent situations, a good leader builds on his team by developing a sense of service, by ensuring their team understands their purpose, and are proficient in their field of responsibility.  This is why the concept of Commander's intent is so important.  It first empowers the individual to act in the absence of direct orders, or to adjust tactics in the face of uncertainty or adversity.  I have found that by developing the members of one's team, by ensuring they fully understand the mission of the team, of the next higher unit, and their responsibilities toward the accomplishment of the overall mission, the question "why" is rarely invoked. 

This concept of pushing responsibility down to developed, and proficient service members not only gives them confidence to make decisions, but empowers them to take and to collaborate for positive action. This empowers the competent members of our teams, the opportunity to solve, and resolve issues with solutions we as top-down leaders may have never even considered.  There is risk to this concept, but the payoff, if accomplished, can be incredibly beneficial.  See the book.  "Turn the Ship Around" by Cpt. David Marquet. USN

Regarding the immediacy required in a combat situation one would hope that through a thorough understanding of SOP's at all levels, through the competent repetition of immediate action drills should leave NO question as to "why" such an order is given.
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MAJ John Drake
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I'm a simpleton.  Is it a legal order? Does it require you do something illegal, immoral or in conflict with the Army Values or previous orders given by your immediate chain of command?  Soldiers have the DUTY not to follow illegal orders. That being said, it doesn't mean you can't be punished for not initially following it. If the order is legal, and it passes the above test, it should be your duty to perform it....within reason. (The Reasonable Man approach).  As for the "Why".  Only if there is time to give purpose to the task.  Sometimes there is not, even when you are not in combat.
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Cpl Ray Fernandez
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Simple solution, as long as the order isn't anything illegal why would I question it? Just because it's something that probably should be done by someone else doesn't mean I can't do it. If you act like you're too good to do a job, what reason should those under you have to obey your orders when you ask them to do something?
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MSG Martinis Butler
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Great concept to why you would do it  but it wouldn't even be about being to good to do the job yourself I believe its just when authority gives you an order move out and execute. Soldiers learn how to be submissive to authority in basic so why get to your unit and conduct yourself in a different manner.
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Cpl Ray Fernandez
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SFC, if I establish a pattern of doing what has to be done, then those I am in charge of will see that I'm also willing to work. Some of the questioning comes from some times that have the mentality of why should I do something they aren't willing to do. Instant obedience to orders is essential, but there are people in this world who for some reason weren't weeded out that think if someone else isn't willing to do the job, why should they. The leaders I had and still have the greatest respect for were the ones that when we were in a crunch time didn't just delegate but got themselves involved in the work that had to be done instead of simply sitting at their desks waiting for updates. To me it comes down to the concept of leading by example to establish the good order and discipline that makes it easier to maintain an environment where instant obedience is not just expected, but the SOP of the unit.
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LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU®
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I think it is first important to know and understand the relationship between the two. If it is done in good faith and good intentions, yes. But I have seen that it was done to create doubt and done out of disrespect. The reason following orders is important is because on the battlefield when there is the fog of war, we don't have time to explain everything, we have to just do it and understand that our superiors may know things we don't know. We may hate it and it may suck, but hesitation can be the difference between a won or lost battle
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SGT Cda 564, Assistant Team Sergeant
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I will explain every time I'm asked a question if time permits. Having said that...


WHY? alone, is basically saying "WTF for?" in nicer terms! Why is not a sufficient question it has no context, its a crutch question when you dont feel like actually verbalizing a legitimate one and it does not promote the education of soldiers to learn how to properly and precisely convey their thoughts.


There are many different ways to use the term Why.  Why are we doing this so close to the road? Why dont we wait until after lunch so we are not in a rush? Why dont we bring PT belts just in case? Why are we taking the truck with the least amount of fuel?  Most of these are not disrespectful they convey knowledge of the situation being discussed and most are offering possible better alternatives or seeking to understand a certain aspect of the command. In this case I would explain what needed explaining.

A simple WHY? Is so vague it shows no thought into the process and in most cases is disrespectful and conveys dislike for the idea or command. It also challenges the command as a whole and does not specify exactly what extra info you are looking for to process this command in your head and complete the mission. Not to mention 99% of the time "Why?" is never followed or proceeded by Sergeant or Sir and usually never said at Parade Rest or Attention.

As soldiers we are charged with having a solution to things that we find unsatisfactory. If I say that the promotion system is broken, then I should provide a solution along with my complaint more insight into why i feel it is broken and what to do to fix it.  Why ( in a slightly different way) is the same concept. When asking why provide more insight into the reason you are asking, dont just simply state "why" its rude and challenging. Offer a solution or statement as to why you believe that doing that order is not the best course of action. Most of all be specific, provide context( im going to beat this horse)! 

Even though I consider why by itself to be rude and testy I will still answer any doubt the soldier may have after they provide more context and assume the front leaning rest! Just a tool for teaching that conveying your message can be extremely important in our line of work. While they may not have meant to challenge authority they did not properly convey that therefore they pay for it and hopefully learn to approach it differently in the future. There is a difference between challenging authority and legitimately questioning a course of action tone and the ability to convey your message could be the determining factor in which one you are practicing.

I too will use your combat scenario to emphasis the importance of conveying your message. 
You are behind cover and you ask a private where the enemy fire is coming from. He responds over there and kinda panicky points over the wall you are behind.  Being able to convey exactly what you mean can be a life saver. North of that red barn about 300m out i saw muzzle flashes and a few guys with AKs, is way more accurate than over there with a half ass point of the finger.  I use every moment I can to train my soldiers in relevant task. Even the smallest thing like attitude and accurately conveying what you mean can matter in the heat of battle. Every mistake is just another opportunity to train correctly.


When i was lower enlisted I found it much easier to be understood when I stayed away from the word why and phrased things like so 


"SGT, I dont mind at all doing this, but if we could wait till it warmed up i believe we could do a better job at it. In the mean time we could change the tires on 123 that's in the bay, since we have to do it by COB anyway. By the time we are finished with that it will be warm enough to wash the mud off the trucks and we dont have to worry about anyone slipping on the ice"


This type of discussion always took place away from others also, so as not to make my peers think I was trying to show I knew more than the SGT.

Tact is an E4 and belows best friend!
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SSG Andrew Dydasco
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That is why I ask my "whys" in a way that conveys me trying to understand the grand scheme of things, SGT.  I'm not asking "why" to be smart and basically say "That's stupid."  I ask in a way to better understand the intent of the order, so I can execute accurately.
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SPC Christopher Morehouse
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I think this is a case where context is key.  Like you said, if you're taking fire and your squad leader tells you to go left, you probably shouldn't be like "well gee Sarg, why do you want me to go over there?"  But if your back at Fort Anywhere USA and your squad leader tells you to fill your kevlar with Jell-O and take it over to your platoon leader, then perhaps you might ask what the hell for? 

I bet it can get frustrating for an NCO when some of his soldiers question some things, but from my experience some times it might have value.  Like if your telling them how to load a connex or something, and the soldier asks why you are having him do it a particular way, it might be a good opportunity for that soldier to learn something.  Or, GASP, he might know of a better way to do it. 

I would be very weary of any leader who answers this question in absolutes. 
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TSgt Wepaons Director, Air Battle Manager Instructor
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There's a big difference between questioning for clarification and questioning authority. Whenever it is possible I welcome the chance to explain why. Obviously there are situations when you don't have time to explain, but in those cases I make sure to tell my troops that I will explain it later, but right now it just NEEDS to get done. And I always make sure I follow up after the fact to give the explanation I promised. I think it's important to educate your subordinates whenever possible, and explaining the "why" behind tasks or orders is part of that.


Now questioning just for the sake of questioning authority - well that's a different story. I've got ZERO time or tolerance for that crap!

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LTC Jason Bartlett
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The Charge of the Light Brigade

Alfred, Lord Tennyson

1.

Half a league, half a league,
 Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
 Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
 Rode the six hundred.


2.

"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
 Someone had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
 Rode the six hundred.


3.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
 Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
 Rode the six hundred.


4.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air,
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
 All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre stroke
 Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
 Not the six hundred.


5.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
 Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
 Left of six hundred.


6.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
 All the world wondered.
Honor the charge they made,
Honor the Light Brigade,
 Noble six hundred.




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LTC Jason Bartlett
LTC Jason Bartlett
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Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
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Perhaps times have changed, but -

I have always admired the ability of MARINE leadership to instill in their subordinates absolute confidence that it is necessary to fully and completely execute every leadership order as received.  

This confidence arises out of the core leadership value DUCTUS EXEMPLO (leadership by example) and is frequently reinforced by training reference to Tennyson's Charge of the Light Brigade.


While this is not my leadership style, it has served the Marine Corps mission exceptionally well over a great many years.


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Except that the Charge of the Light Brigade was a mistaken order that destroyed the cavalry for absolutely no gain. A mistaken order that could have benefited from asking "why?"
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