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I joined rally point due to a few good inquiries someone posted on FACEBOOK. Just like every forum, seems people like to air out dirty laundry. Why do people bash the corps. I see SSG saying that Csm are here to gripe about grass. Not one, but a few!!!. I see juniors complaining about how NCOs get slapped on the wrist for infractions. How we don't deserve benefits. How we should imprison a career soldier for a stupid infraction. How csm aren't needed. What ever happened to loyalty?!
Why are you people so busy trying to eat your own. I joined rally point to get some good advice/mentorship from the people in here. I don't get mentored by only those higher in grade than I, but by all. I listen to problems, form an opinion and relay my response. I try not to be judgemental and cast stones.
What are you here for. If all it is to do is to complain how bad crap is, well, I think I made a mistake by joining.
Don't get me wrong, I love the comedic responses, but those are followed with an lol so we know you're kidding.
IMPROVE YOUR FOXHOLE. quit tearing down the walls that it took our predecessors so long to build. Quit taking us backwards. Heated discussions are grand and I get to see all points of view. But airing laundry, and bashing the corps, well, that's just garbage.
Why are you people so busy trying to eat your own. I joined rally point to get some good advice/mentorship from the people in here. I don't get mentored by only those higher in grade than I, but by all. I listen to problems, form an opinion and relay my response. I try not to be judgemental and cast stones.
What are you here for. If all it is to do is to complain how bad crap is, well, I think I made a mistake by joining.
Don't get me wrong, I love the comedic responses, but those are followed with an lol so we know you're kidding.
IMPROVE YOUR FOXHOLE. quit tearing down the walls that it took our predecessors so long to build. Quit taking us backwards. Heated discussions are grand and I get to see all points of view. But airing laundry, and bashing the corps, well, that's just garbage.
Posted 11 y ago
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I think people generally have questions that concern them but you shouldn't quit the site. I've only been on here a few days and there are a lot of posts on here that interest me and some people ask for advice on legitimate problems and question. Every social site is going to have people complaining, but I think the good outweighs the bad.
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I am glad you posted this and I hope people read it and get what you are trying to say. I joined rally point to hear what people have to say about the current issues we are facing in our millitary. I also like to see what our millitary members think about these issues. I see this web site as way to discuss the issues in a calm educated way. I do not care to read the comments posted where people just add to the problem. I once had a leader who told me it is real easy to point out the problem and not come up with a solution and I took that to hart from that day forward I made it a point to always have a solution to the problem I was dealing with and not just complain about it. I hope that there are more people on this web site that see it the same way. I avoid reading rants and I read the comments that have a valid point to make I stay open minded and read the well written comments and if someone poses a valid question I will try to answer it to the best of my ability. I think that someone like you could do a lot of good for this web site with your years of service and experience you could really help a lot of those misguided individuals out there. I hope that the lower enlisted soldiers are using it to gain some knowledge and guidance and I hope the members with a little more weight on there chest are looking for new and better ways to deal with their issues of the day. Anything outside of that I steer clear of. Oh and the retirees. I would hope they are just trying to stay current and maybe offer up some good old school stories. I hope this web site is not ruined by a couple of bad apples I would love to see more people like you on here and I hope this site is used for education and mentorship and a good conversation every once in awhile about some hot button issue. I do not want to see bashing of anyone or just negative comments with no solution to the issue. I will end this and say I hope you stay on this site and you find lower enlisted people who need your help those are the question I think you would shine at answering and ignore the rest. My old 1st SGT is on here and I read his comments all the time along with what he answers becuase he only pays attention to the good ones try looking at what he is looking at and see if that changes your mind his name is MSG Stankovich I hope you look him up and follow what he is following I truely believe it will change your opinion of this site.
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CPT Pedro Meza
Ike, I commend your logic and wisdom and hope that you follow in your mentor's path and share the Faith as we said in the 60's and 70's, because when he passes you become the mentor as you are doing so now. As for those that rant and post negative comments they serve a purpose which is an opportunity for all to practice handling interpersonal communication and expression which is similar to what you experience when you go out the wire and you deal with the local populace and the unarmed enemy. Rally Point gives lower ranks an opportunity to question rank and those that claim experience. You got to give the devil his dues!
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MSG (Join to see) I recently posted a question, it was stereotypical jabs at other services...it was all in fun. And it was fun, no one got butt-hurt. I am not assuming this post was about mine. I personally have not had the same experience as you have. Sorry you run across so many SM that are complaining. We do that well amongst ourselves though, and we would never do that with our civilian counterparts...that may be part of the camaraderie that I enjoy about RP.
Thanks for calling all of those out though that do bash their brothers and sisters. I am interested in how you feel about the SPC that leaked all the top secret intel, Sgt Akbar, and the MAJ in the Ft. Hood Shooting...are we to remain loyal to what we perceive at traitors to the very core? What about Bowe Bergdahl? The list can go on and on...we have traitors in our mist. I do not think we should dwell on the negative, and your point is well spoken. I will do my part.
Part of serving in uniform is complaining. Complaining about the Chow, standing in formation too long, standing in a change of command when it is clearly too hot, working too long, change 999 in the training schedule...the two go hand in hand. If we can't complain on RP, where can we?
With that said, I will close with: Make it a great day. Set high goals. Set your expectations high. Compliment and recognize those that deserve it.
Thanks for calling all of those out though that do bash their brothers and sisters. I am interested in how you feel about the SPC that leaked all the top secret intel, Sgt Akbar, and the MAJ in the Ft. Hood Shooting...are we to remain loyal to what we perceive at traitors to the very core? What about Bowe Bergdahl? The list can go on and on...we have traitors in our mist. I do not think we should dwell on the negative, and your point is well spoken. I will do my part.
Part of serving in uniform is complaining. Complaining about the Chow, standing in formation too long, standing in a change of command when it is clearly too hot, working too long, change 999 in the training schedule...the two go hand in hand. If we can't complain on RP, where can we?
With that said, I will close with: Make it a great day. Set high goals. Set your expectations high. Compliment and recognize those that deserve it.
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MSG (Join to see)
not at all SSG. I generally like poking fun at everyone too. no harm between brothers and sisters teasing each other. I don't like to see a Soldier asking why their Platoon Sergeant can miss PT and they can't. Maybe that PSG was busy and since when does the PSG answer to a private. I don't like seeing SSG saying that the CSM is only around to complicate things and that Captains can do the job better. I don't like another NCO saying that one of his peers is stupid and how his selection to SFC should have come prior to the moron he was under.
how I feel about the terrorists serving in our corps, give me the rope! Akbar and that MAJ need to be hung. Bergdahl, I don't know the truth. his BN CDR said some things about him, but I have served quite a bit and most BN CDRs don't have a clue about a SPC in their ranks. Would have been more believable to me if the PL/PSG had come out. since the boys in that unit said something, I tend to side with them. his story is quite shady and I wouldn't trust him. as for the ranger that recently died, I sympathize with he and his family. notice how there was no last video for him. he died remembering his oath. he died with honor. and I hope we kill every single bastard that had a hand in his death. we can complain, but remain loyal at the same time.
how I feel about the terrorists serving in our corps, give me the rope! Akbar and that MAJ need to be hung. Bergdahl, I don't know the truth. his BN CDR said some things about him, but I have served quite a bit and most BN CDRs don't have a clue about a SPC in their ranks. Would have been more believable to me if the PL/PSG had come out. since the boys in that unit said something, I tend to side with them. his story is quite shady and I wouldn't trust him. as for the ranger that recently died, I sympathize with he and his family. notice how there was no last video for him. he died remembering his oath. he died with honor. and I hope we kill every single bastard that had a hand in his death. we can complain, but remain loyal at the same time.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
MSG (Join to see) , Yes, okay, I get your point. However about CSM comment and not walking on the grass, that is way too common for it to go away any time soon. I now work as a civilian professional now, I have an opportunity to see patients from other facilities and clinics and get some of the same responses about other professionals, which makes me negatively biased about their work. I keep my negative bias to myself...I stay professional. I never want to get a phone call from an attorney about a libel lawsuit, but I also want my peers to know I am a professional. I attribute that from a learned behavior from military service, see, another carry-over that helped me in my civilian persuits. Ranger On, MSG. Make it a great day.
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What happens when you get a bunch of people from a service together? They bash people/things. The things that are said here aren't too different than what I've heard being said in any unit.
The thing I like about this forum is that, more or less, everyone is on the level. Respect for rank/position is given, but you can engage with a 1SG or CSM or LTC or COL and you're not going to have your PSG or Squad Leader come grab you by the collar and say "WTF are you talking to them for? You're only a <insert rank>! You're not supposed to talk to them!"
It provides an opportunity for the little guys to see that the big guys do have emotions and opinions like, or unlike, their own and to engage those individuals that they wouldn't normally have the opportunity to engage in the real world in a conversation about the given topic.
I spend a lot of time just reading and saying "Wow! I wish that guy was my SCO/CO/CSM!" or "Wow! I'm glad he's not!"...... and then the Marines/Navy/Air Force show up and ruin the conversation..
The thing I like about this forum is that, more or less, everyone is on the level. Respect for rank/position is given, but you can engage with a 1SG or CSM or LTC or COL and you're not going to have your PSG or Squad Leader come grab you by the collar and say "WTF are you talking to them for? You're only a <insert rank>! You're not supposed to talk to them!"
It provides an opportunity for the little guys to see that the big guys do have emotions and opinions like, or unlike, their own and to engage those individuals that they wouldn't normally have the opportunity to engage in the real world in a conversation about the given topic.
I spend a lot of time just reading and saying "Wow! I wish that guy was my SCO/CO/CSM!" or "Wow! I'm glad he's not!"...... and then the Marines/Navy/Air Force show up and ruin the conversation..
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CPT Pedro Meza
"Out of the Mouth of Babes" as the saying goes, because some times the lowest ranks fresh to the service and full of hope, innocence and a spark of wisdom can enlighten us old souls and by the same token we Old Timers can impart some life learned lesson on our future service members and leaders.
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Danny, you just did the same thing. But look at this way humans need to empty the cup before it can receive fresh coffee. Some of the folks here are like privates with one year of college that know everything and learn after they fall on their face. "Hang In There" quote Then Came Bronson.
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Amen MSG (Join to see)! I joined RP to connect with fellow vets and get to know people. As an admin I feel like I spend more time breaking up spats than actually enjoying the exchanges. I can't get over the disrespect I've seen on here amongst fellow service members. When I was in, it did not matter your opinions, you always respect each other and your senior ranking folks. I've seen officers talking horribly to fellow offficers as well as enlisted, as well as enlisted being disrespectful to officers. In this day and age in my opinion, there is no excuse for such disrespect. We are all adults and should be able to have spirited discussions without insults and slurs. I like what you said about improving your foxhole. You nailed it.
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My apologies msg. If something I have said has sounded like bashing. I personally try to see both sides, can't always see both sides, and try to respond non-derogatory. As of yet, I have never gave a down vote, haven't seen a comment that was ignorant enough for a down vote, yet.
I have learned a lot of information from several individuals on a variety of subjects.
Your observations are valid, and have merit.
I have learned a lot of information from several individuals on a variety of subjects.
Your observations are valid, and have merit.
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MSG Danny Ibarra
I will agree with you on this 100%. I think people are taking this to the wrong level. I do feel that people need to be able to "BITCH" about what is going on in their military career as long as it is a vent not a "This unit/branch is messed up" session. We need to ensure that we are talking to people and making them see the why things should be. We need to show people that it is ok to vent. I tell each and every one of my troops that if they need to just vent that is fine. I am here to lend an ear. If they have a problem come to me with a way to fix it.
I will agree with you on this 100%. I think people are taking this to the wrong level. I do feel that people need to be able to "BITCH" about what is going on in their military career as long as it is a vent not a "This unit/branch is messed up" session. We need to ensure that we are talking to people and making them see the why things should be. We need to show people that it is ok to vent. I tell each and every one of my troops that if they need to just vent that is fine. I am here to lend an ear. If they have a problem come to me with a way to fix it.
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I am guilty of going off on a few on this forum simply because of the way they chose to portray themselves, some think that JUST because they are still active duty or had a higher rank that their poo doesnt stink ( probably stinks worse than most others) I will show respect where respect is due and treat people like they treat me. I know we all come from different walks of life and served at different times and saw different milestones in the Military, what I cannot and will not stomach is someone coming on here and telling others they should shame themselves because their ideas do not coincide with that persons Ideas or beliefs.I find it very unprofessional to use rank be it retired,reserve or active duty on such a forum to sway others to become ducks in a row and follow a certain set of views or opinions. Will I do it again??? probably yes, am I choosing what I say on here better?? yes I am. will we always have arrogant people on here, yes we will.It is what it is.
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SGT Steve Vincent
I agree wholeheartedly with You, SGT Glenn. In just the past day, I have had several nice conversations with individuals who had a MUCH higher rank than I did, but they were speaking as individuals, not as if they were people in my rank structure or anything. Honestly, I have had almost entirely good experiences on here. I actually use this site as a form of therapy for me. I am medically retired and live in Phoenix, AZ, and everything you have seen on the news over the past several months regarding the PHX VA is true. I had a good friend of mine, whom I deployed with, kill himself last year because they were jerking him around so bad, telling him he missed appointments, cancelling others, and telling him he had yet others, and then telling him he didn't have any when he showed up, because nothing was ever entered in the system. I experienced this as well, over the last couple of years. Luckily, I found this site, and it has been very good for my psyche, being able to connect with the military community on this level, to be able to talk to people who have been through a lot of the things I have as well, and there tends to be a pretty conservative slant to most of the members. Not necessarily a Republican slant or anything, but people who have actual conservative values. Go figure, since this is a community of individuals who all stood up and said "Pick me, I'll go!", to offer themselves up to protect our country. There are, however those few individuals who think that rank has privileges on here. I actually had one 1SG (I won't name him, because I am not a gossip, and don't believe in dragging people through the mud when they aren't present to defend themselves) that actually said he was a 1SG, and didn't appreciate being lectured and berated by a SGT. I will freely admit that I kinda, sorta went off on him a little bit, but while I was screaming in my head and giving him a mental beatdown he probably felt through the computer, I still managed as much respect for his rank as i could muster. I firmly believe that respect is something that is earned, not given, and saying the things he said in the thread on religious zealotry was past a line to a point where I was not only personally affronted, but i felt that what he was saying directly impuned my faith, and my faith in my country. And then there was the CPT who wouldn't know Texas if it smacked him in the face, browbeating an LT who merely attempted to correct him on some facts involving dates and other historical items that are easily accessible to anyone with a computer. He then tried to pull the I know better than you because I outrank you card. I will never tell anyone they are wrong, or they are not as informed as I am, unless they first A) prove it, and B) I can PROVE otherwise with actual evidence via links or something else they can look up on their own to verify. I believe firmly that if you have a million people together, you are going to have a million different views on the same issue. People are unique, and they have different experiences in life, and those experiences shape their world view, good or bad. Having discussions on issues, we are generally putting forth our opinions on things. This is called debating. Some people have a tendency to mistakes opinions with facts, and therefore try to attack people and beat them into thinking the same way they do. having said all that, other than the 2 situations I mentioned, i treat everyone as an equal on here, from the cherriest Private, to the CW5s and other senior Officers and NONCOMs I have conversed with. And I always use the person's rank, not as a show of either subservience or power, but as a show of respect for what that person has done, which is volunteer to serve their country. If you come at me with respect and decorum, you will be accorded in return that same level. It is good to get to "know" people on here, from all different walks of life, ranks, services, eras, etc... It has been an eye-opening experience thus far, and I feel comfortable being myself. Unfortunately for some of you, I can be very passionate and opinionated, and long winded!!! Like I said, this is the best therapy for me I have experienced in years, maybe excepting my wife, but even more in some ways, because she knows me like noone else, but she is still a civilian and there are things she just can't understand without having experienced it. So, to all of you with whom I have conversed, and those of you I will talk with in the future, thank you for being here. I truly mean that!
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