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We speak about keeping the best talent, and pushing them to be as successful as possible, but we limit these capable people by associating Rank with Responsibility.
Before joining the Army, and ever knowing S.H.A.R.P existed had taken Sexual Assault and Harassment Prevention courses for a job as an Student Resident Adviser at the age of 19 in college. That year I was the primary case personnel for a rape case, I helped the victim from the time they knocked on my door until they were done in the hospital, before I had to relinquish my duties to a higher source. At 23 I join the Army and because of my rank it is believed I would not know how to compose myself if a situation were to arise.
I believe we could engage personnel and better help our peers to our left and right by utilizing the talents of everyone that they bring with them from the private sector.
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I do not think I properly presented this topic. I will attempt here to clarify. The argument I was attempting to make is that we have a shortage of talents in areas like EO/SHARP/Master Fitness Instructor/Master Resilency Trainer/ ect. These positions and classes currently have ranks associated with them although myself and others might argue that JSMs are able to feel these positions. Like my prior experience shown above, might qualify me for a SHARP rep, someone with a degree or ceritification as a fitness trainer might qualify elswhere. Our junior ranks vary widely in age ranges and prior experiences, and I see this as wasted potential. I hope this helps to clarify things.
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After some conversing with SFC Richie, I thought this a different option: "would you be more inclined to support a system in which a junior service members (JSM) was not in one of these roles fully, but formally trained and could service as an Assistant with a limited amount of authority granted? That way those with prior experience could continue to develop those skills, and help with their prior knowledge the NCOIC of that program."
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First, I'm not sure the chart portrays the question. Respect versus "equivalency." Right off the bat, showing equivalency between any of the WO/CWO ranks to an officer is wrong in so many ways, I almost choked when I looked at it. An E6 equivalent to an O2 or a CW2...nope. If it's "experience in duty positions," then I might buy it. If it is "respect towards a rank in duty positions," I might buy it. I guess seeing it written out is what bothers me. It's wrong. There are some unwritten rules that shouldn't be written down. Every 2LT in the Army outranks the Command Sergeant Major of the Army and every CW5 in the Army. Bottom line. Those personnel show the 2LT the proper respect, and the 2LT knows better than to challenge their authority based on their position in the organization. That isn't written down, but it's damn sure abided by.
That your chart would not have direct equivalents as they are shown on the chart.
That the chart would be dangerous for everyone involved...especially for an E-5 and CWO-5?
That the chart would be dangerous for everyone involved...especially for an E-5 and CWO-5?
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Dangerous indeed, I have seen a few Army 0-4's politely correct Senior NCO's and Chief Warrants before. Everyone has a place in the Army, a professional acts accordingly.
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Yes as an E-5 or E-6 the enlisted side has had our share of leadership positions, though not on the level an O-1 or WO-1 have so I'd first knock the enlisted part of the chart down a notch to make E-6 'equal' to an O-1. Sorry to my NCO Corps but again this is based of leadership roles and frankly some of us just do not cut it.
For the Warrant Officer side, it's hard since you have the flight and tech sides, one needs years of enlisted experience, the other just requires you to enlist. If you're going to make a chart like this, divide the W.O. ranks to show both sides. Techs I would bring the up a peg to start them 'equal' to an O-2 since chances are the platoon leader they're partnered with is of that rank and they share the same responsibilities in most cases. Additionally for the tech side you were already an E-6 or E-7 or higher. Flight sorry, but I would leave as is.
Now when it comes to the officer side of the house there's a difference between those who went green to gold and those fresh out of college or West Point who need to be walked through a lot of standard operations. Either way the officer side has to rely on the advice of those senior NCO's in order to get more perspective when making decisions at any level. Setting rank aside Sir, would you not consider your Command Sergeant Major your peer nine times out of ten or would you always see them as subordinate?