Posted on Aug 23, 2014
Regardless of military branch, which pay grade is most challenging to deal with?
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In aviation, I thought it was a conspiracy to drive me insane! In combat, I loved them all. Air Cav!!!
In aviation, I thought it was a conspiracy to drive me insane! In combat, I loved them all. Air Cav!!!
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Navy Chiefs... according to those that I have met and worked along side of, "Chief" > SFC even though they are the same rank.
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SFC Mark Merino yeah... Then they get all confused why Army enlisted call them "Sir" on the phone (think they're Warrant).
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new E-3's and E-6's that are more worried about an anchor then their troops
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Why the dig at warrant officers?? Haha. Jk. I think the picture is spot on....no pun intended. I will say though, in my experiences, there is a definite line between the aviators and us "walking warrants". This is neither good nor bad, but it is evident.
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I would challenge by asking when the last time you led PT or any other Senior NCO? Don't forgot that most Warrant Officers have been in those very same trenches you are. We know the deal....
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SFC Mark Merino
As a PSG I ran PT all the time. When Senior Warrants ran it, they would either zonk or punish the crewdogs mercilessly and I could barely use them to push acft.
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Clearly an exception. I know that even if I wanted to, there would be no way any of my NCOs would allow me to run a PRT session. I do sneak out and still call cadence. 1sg hates that.
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SFC Mark Merino
Seeing that most of our pilots were former NCO's and that we are outnumbered by WO's 3-1 we welcomed the change up. When the CO was off cycle from flying he always took his men for PT and us little fish did our thing.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
E-5s are hard to deal with from different perspectives, but the question didn't ask what perspective we are viewing things from. I have always been a leader among my peers, and held a position higher than my rank, so the E-4/E-5 transition was not as difficult to me. E-5s are often put in difficult positions because their authority is very limited and unless they are willing to put their neck on the line in many instances their authority to help things remains limited. From a different perspective I can see leaders looking at E-5 NCOs as unprofessional, immature among other things. The answer most people will give is from their own perspectives and experiences. I scarcely butt heads with officers, peers, or subordinates, hence my answer. I have had issues with E-5s when I was an E-3, but using my chain of command up through my senior enlisted the problem still did not get resolved. Senior Enlisted need to be held more accountable for their actions and the actions of their subordinate NCOs. I could blame those E-5s for their inappropriate actions, but their leaders not correcting those actions are just as equally at fault.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
If we are talking about MOS specific, we should also note the lack of basic technical knowledge for some senior enlisted. For my MOS, it is generally accepted that E-3 through E-6 are the technically competent ones. I can't speak for any other MOS.
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SFC Mark Merino
Come on now SGT Kristin Wiley. A lot of us older troops didn't even have computers when we first joined. I did my first DA-6 on a typewriter.
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Sergeant Major's not CSM's just Sergeant Major aka Spec-9's, run into a few who I have tried to figure out what they are really doing.
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CW2 AH1G pilot, love the 1st CAV. Germany Oh58 Uh1s The Warrant Officer 18 to 19 years with the wisdom of a 50 year old. Best rank in any service gotta love the WOs
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Captains who pulled O-1s away from NCOs showing him what he was responsible for, because he asked. That captain always rubbed me the wrong way lol
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SFC Mark Merino
I had great company level Officers (mostly). The ones who were stereotypical usually left quickly.
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I have to say the CSM. Either the best or worst person to work with. Everyone is too scared to tell them how they really feel, expecting the magic E-9 ESPN to give them all the answers due to their extensive experience. Don't get me wrong, CSMs are almost always outstanding individuals who have earned their positions by being great at what they do. They are not, however, infallible. If you should dare speak your mind, you can quickly figure out if they find a fresh thought valuable to the organization, or if they really just want a person that shakes their head yes all the time and agrees with whatever comes out of their face without question. I've worked for both...
That said, I just can't be a yes man. Don't ask if you don't want to hear what I think. All I can promise is that if I give you an answer, it will be based upon some solid regulation or valid study. Otherwise, I'll shut up & shake my head yes until I have something better.
That said, I just can't be a yes man. Don't ask if you don't want to hear what I think. All I can promise is that if I give you an answer, it will be based upon some solid regulation or valid study. Otherwise, I'll shut up & shake my head yes until I have something better.
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I would say Corporal which is the only rank in history that never changed.
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SP5 Michael Rathbun
I always thought that Corporals were pretty cool. Probably because that's what Dear Old Dad mustered out as in 1946.
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CPL Rick Stasny
What the, with out CPL's you would have had to sign for everything. I picked up my stripes from a Major General that did not like the Specialist rank.
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What I meant is cpl's do not get ncoers which I feel for them cause I have seen really squared away cpl's.
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SFC Mark Merino
I hated the Corporal position. All the duty and responsibility and functions for NCO's E-5 and above. WRONG!
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The buck sergeant. E-5. They are still with the troops doing everything like a private but playing the leadership role when needed. NCO's...back bone of the army.
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