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For those of you that seem to comment on my questions regularly: I have sworn into the Utah Army National Guard!
Now for everyone: My plan as of now is this. Participate in RSP through the end of this year. Report to Leonard Wood 07 January for BCT, then complete 88M AIT. Return home, drill a couple times, then contract with my university’s ROTC (I’ll be a junior next fall, so timing is perfect there).
It’s been a point of contention on another question I posed, so I’ll address it straightaway so we’re all on the same page. I scored well enough to qualify for any Army MOS, but chose 88M because it gets me back home the fastest, and because that MOS election disappears as soon as I contract. Therefore, I was told that it didn’t matter to my long term career.
As I’m beginning to really try and figure out my branch goals when I commission (yes, I am aware that I can only offer my hopes and dreams to the mercy of the Army, and that those hopes and dreams will most likely be crushed), I have started to seriously look at Aviation. Specifically to fly. No matter what I do, I want to complete my degree.
The question to the community here is this: Am I better off contracting ROTC and (theoretically, assuming it’s offered to me) accept an active duty commission and try to branch Aviation, or should I complete school and then put in for WOCS to fly? I love aircraft in general, but have only been in a helicopter once (I absolutely loved it). Therefore, I can’t with certainty say that my goal is to *only* fly through a 20+ year career.
So with where I’m sitting now, (sworn into the Utah NG, but not MOSQ) what would you suggest I look at, moving forward?
Thank you for taking the time to read and reply to this!
Now for everyone: My plan as of now is this. Participate in RSP through the end of this year. Report to Leonard Wood 07 January for BCT, then complete 88M AIT. Return home, drill a couple times, then contract with my university’s ROTC (I’ll be a junior next fall, so timing is perfect there).
It’s been a point of contention on another question I posed, so I’ll address it straightaway so we’re all on the same page. I scored well enough to qualify for any Army MOS, but chose 88M because it gets me back home the fastest, and because that MOS election disappears as soon as I contract. Therefore, I was told that it didn’t matter to my long term career.
As I’m beginning to really try and figure out my branch goals when I commission (yes, I am aware that I can only offer my hopes and dreams to the mercy of the Army, and that those hopes and dreams will most likely be crushed), I have started to seriously look at Aviation. Specifically to fly. No matter what I do, I want to complete my degree.
The question to the community here is this: Am I better off contracting ROTC and (theoretically, assuming it’s offered to me) accept an active duty commission and try to branch Aviation, or should I complete school and then put in for WOCS to fly? I love aircraft in general, but have only been in a helicopter once (I absolutely loved it). Therefore, I can’t with certainty say that my goal is to *only* fly through a 20+ year career.
So with where I’m sitting now, (sworn into the Utah NG, but not MOSQ) what would you suggest I look at, moving forward?
Thank you for taking the time to read and reply to this!
Posted 6 y ago
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SPC (Join to see) If your goal was to fly and this was a deal breaker if you didn't at all, WOCS would be the route.
If youre ok with the CHANCE to branch aviation and maybe fly, ROTC would be the route.
Securing either a RA or AD Commission following a degree program and a short stint in the UT ARNG may not be a lock. It may be possible though to earn an RC Commission or a RC Warrant Appointment in Aviation and then transfer to AD, but that is contingent on open needs at the time you attempt it.
Warrant Officers may apply for OCS, so if you did become a warrant officer, the door doesn't close.....fully. You have to watch the age limits and medical requirements....because life happens while you are making plans. I know two people personally who went from being NCOs to Warrants (both technical fields) to commissioned officers via OCS. One was TMDE/Electronics Maintenance and became an OD officer and later a PhD and an executive at Raytheon. The other a 88K Watercraft Operator to 880A Marine Deck Officer to Transportation/LG Officer. He just entered the corporate world and is in Supply Chain and Logistics. This is definitely circuitous. It also increases the likelihood of retiring as a Graybeard Captain or possibly Major simply from a Time spent "getting somewhere" perspective and hitting 20years AFCS.
The other option which may still be viable, is to earn an Aviation Branch Commission and revert to CW2 as a Captain if flying is your bag. They used to do this often enough that it was a thing with a regulatory path. I would not recommend this route with vigor.
If youre ok with the CHANCE to branch aviation and maybe fly, ROTC would be the route.
Securing either a RA or AD Commission following a degree program and a short stint in the UT ARNG may not be a lock. It may be possible though to earn an RC Commission or a RC Warrant Appointment in Aviation and then transfer to AD, but that is contingent on open needs at the time you attempt it.
Warrant Officers may apply for OCS, so if you did become a warrant officer, the door doesn't close.....fully. You have to watch the age limits and medical requirements....because life happens while you are making plans. I know two people personally who went from being NCOs to Warrants (both technical fields) to commissioned officers via OCS. One was TMDE/Electronics Maintenance and became an OD officer and later a PhD and an executive at Raytheon. The other a 88K Watercraft Operator to 880A Marine Deck Officer to Transportation/LG Officer. He just entered the corporate world and is in Supply Chain and Logistics. This is definitely circuitous. It also increases the likelihood of retiring as a Graybeard Captain or possibly Major simply from a Time spent "getting somewhere" perspective and hitting 20years AFCS.
The other option which may still be viable, is to earn an Aviation Branch Commission and revert to CW2 as a Captain if flying is your bag. They used to do this often enough that it was a thing with a regulatory path. I would not recommend this route with vigor.
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Being a Guard aviator requires A LOT more commitment than just one weekend a month and two weeks a year. Bear that in mind.
I’m in the uh-60 battalion in UT. I haven’t been here long but so far it seems like a decent place and you wouldn’t be begging for blade time.
They also have an Apache Battalion here and Lakota and Fixed wing detachments.
I’m in the uh-60 battalion in UT. I haven’t been here long but so far it seems like a decent place and you wouldn’t be begging for blade time.
They also have an Apache Battalion here and Lakota and Fixed wing detachments.
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Sergeant, thanks for your reply. No matter what we do, the goal is AD. My family heritage here in Utah goes back to the first white settlers, and I subscribe to the common local religion, but it’s just not our scene.
Would it be possible for us to link up sometime so I could receive further guidance? I don’t know anyone in AV here in Utah.
Would it be possible for us to link up sometime so I could receive further guidance? I don’t know anyone in AV here in Utah.
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I’ll say based alone of ur GR score, you are a fairly intelligent person. I would agree that since u don’t really want to fly a 20 year career, ROTC is a great option. You should do well in school and GPA is an important part of the equation for getting both AD and then branching AV. PT is another factor and then how well you do at camp. We need pilots no doubt. The longer track is trying to do WOFT bc u need to obtain a certain rank, Time in service etc...... immediate results can be ROTC. Here is the kicker, even if for some reason you do not get selected for AV branch, u can compete within the Army Medical Dept for slots to fly medevac. You are essentially a 67J and should get a great deal of flight time. U could apply for this almost immeyafter hitting active duty. I don’t think u will need to do this though. Like i said, from ur GT score i am sure ur GPA is great. Over a 3.3 and you are on ur way to AD. And since u want to go AV, it also helps towards AD. I should mention that ur degree also influences ur selection for AD. For example if u have a 3.0 in biomedicine vs a 3.7 in general studies, the 3.0 benefits u more. Crazy huh? But it is the curriculum that really sets u apart from others competing.
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Sir, thanks for taking the time to respond. I feel I phrased my feelings about flying poorly. I meant that I don’t know for sure that I want to fly bad enough to give up the officer track I’ve wanted since a child, not that I explicitly don’t want to fly for 20 years. My concern is twofold: If I go WO and don’t find flying enough to fulfill me (everything I’ve learned about serving as a commissioned officer ticks the boxes for all the right reasons, I believe), then I’ll have given up my opportunity to have a good officer career. On the other hand, if I commission, start flying, and then find that JP8 flows through my veins, I’ll be royally hosed when I get pulled from the cockpit and stuck behind a desk. That being said, your insights were very helpful.
I would like to ask you to further elaborate on the effect that academic major has on AD probability. Everything else being equal, what does National Security Studies with a German minor do for me? (The German is for my own enjoyment. I couldn’t quite swallow the Underwater Basketweaving type majors though.) Our program is highly connected to the civilian side of national security, but that doesn’t matter with the military.
I would like to ask you to further elaborate on the effect that academic major has on AD probability. Everything else being equal, what does National Security Studies with a German minor do for me? (The German is for my own enjoyment. I couldn’t quite swallow the Underwater Basketweaving type majors though.) Our program is highly connected to the civilian side of national security, but that doesn’t matter with the military.
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Well it used to not matter what you program of study was. But when we went through the drawdown in 2015-2016, the Army decided it needed to be a little more select in AD officers. One of the ways they did this was through ROTC and student programs. There is obviously more to it than just that but it’s the basics. So they figure ok the harder the curriculum the more prepared and better Officer (in general) they would be. It also gives a measure of competitiveness to students wanting AD to not sand bag classes just to get high GPAs. In your case i would assume, but don’t quote me in this, ur degree would fall in the mid to high range. Meaning not the hardest but also not the easiest such as underwater basketweaving. The German helps for sure. I still think ROTC is the right choice. If u do go warrant and flight school remember u are stuck if u want something else. AMEDD pilots can do a mirage of things plus fly. So there is a balance u could have. I was enlisted and a crew chief on Apache Helicopters. Saw a few pilots leave bc after Company Command time u do see a lot more staff time and they wanted to fly more. So you just have to figure out what path makes more sense to you. SPC (Join to see)
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