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Is this acceptable use of a military graveyard?
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/families-outraged-after-veteran-cemetery-turns-mov/nkxW7/
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/families-outraged-after-veteran-cemetery-turns-mov/nkxW7/
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I am not a fan of using any cemetery, military or not, as a scene for a film or tv. TV studios have more than enough funds to 'build' a set that resembles the exact cemetery they are looking to film while bringing attention to their cause.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
Exactly so .. and they would probably sink more $$ into it than the gov spends in National Cemeteries.
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I think it's sacred ground, SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S., and turning it into a "circus atmosphere" is unsatisfactory and should be prohibited. Hollywood could "make" a military cemetery set (scene) to shoot this part of the movie. I think that would be a good compromise.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
I agree CW5 (Join to see) --- in fact, my first thought on seeing SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.'s discussion was "is nothing sacred anymore?"
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If the movie depicts respect for our veterans and fallen heroes, the crew maintains a respecful demeanor and keep the disruption minmal and tries to do as much off the grounds as possible and they leave the grounds better than when they started. Then ok. Could be positive publicity for veterans.
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Wow, that hit a nerve. Everything is on a bell curve. Feelings will range from "was there a movie being done there? Cool." to "what don't you understand about sacred ground, Stupid?" It's interesting that this type of thing is reported in an unbalanced manner because only complainers will step forward. This was even more skewed because there are a very small minority who will visit a grave daily. It's that important to them and I respect that. We military tend to hold our national cemeteries more sacred than the general public because we feel closer to the sacrifice and know more of them.
I'm cutting a bit against the grain. The only time the majority of the general public even sees a national cemetery is in the movies or TV with a sprinkling of the tourist trap Arlington has become. So to me, respectful and accessible use is OK by me as my view of the overall benefits win out. Many of you will think otherwise, which is fine. The report didn't talk about how much of the cemetery was used, how it was protected, etc. nor were golf carts available to offset the impact of visitors having to park further away. I have no idea if there was any attempt at outreach by the production unit to show respect to visitors. I suspect only half the story was told.
Although I can understand the reasoning behind recreations, that moves the viewer further away from reality when the goal is help them understand that these cemeteries are very real, very numerous, and in many cases, very large. That's what it took to ensure our freedom.
I'm cutting a bit against the grain. The only time the majority of the general public even sees a national cemetery is in the movies or TV with a sprinkling of the tourist trap Arlington has become. So to me, respectful and accessible use is OK by me as my view of the overall benefits win out. Many of you will think otherwise, which is fine. The report didn't talk about how much of the cemetery was used, how it was protected, etc. nor were golf carts available to offset the impact of visitors having to park further away. I have no idea if there was any attempt at outreach by the production unit to show respect to visitors. I suspect only half the story was told.
Although I can understand the reasoning behind recreations, that moves the viewer further away from reality when the goal is help them understand that these cemeteries are very real, very numerous, and in many cases, very large. That's what it took to ensure our freedom.
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This will piss off folks...
Just like Government Satellites can be used for private corporation telecommunications, because they belong to the People, our National Cemeteries can be used by private organizations because they belong to the People.
I know this is personal. I know it's hallowed ground. However, it is not only ours (Veterans and Families). It is all of America's, and that includes Hollywood.
Would we be upset if someone wanted to film a documentary on the Tomb? Or on Arlington? If the message was "Veteran Positive"?
What happens if the message swaps to negative. Does that change your mind?
What if it's a school kid doing a project on his grandfather. Should he have to "build a set?" Does it become about "means." ($$)
Unfortunately, as long as they are maintaining a "respectful presence" I have to go with a stance of "let them film," as much as I personally don't like it.
Just like Government Satellites can be used for private corporation telecommunications, because they belong to the People, our National Cemeteries can be used by private organizations because they belong to the People.
I know this is personal. I know it's hallowed ground. However, it is not only ours (Veterans and Families). It is all of America's, and that includes Hollywood.
Would we be upset if someone wanted to film a documentary on the Tomb? Or on Arlington? If the message was "Veteran Positive"?
What happens if the message swaps to negative. Does that change your mind?
What if it's a school kid doing a project on his grandfather. Should he have to "build a set?" Does it become about "means." ($$)
Unfortunately, as long as they are maintaining a "respectful presence" I have to go with a stance of "let them film," as much as I personally don't like it.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
CEMETERY= Off Limits. It is a resting place. I have been to the tomb of the unknown soldier on a couple of occassions. That is HALLOWED ground. Keep the damned movie makers out.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
PO3 Steven Sherrill I understand where you are coming from. I agree on a personal level. However... this is something far more nuanced than a blanket decision can cover.
HBO recently did a documentary called Section 60: Arlington National Cemetery.
http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/section-60-arlington-national-cemetery/index.html#/documentaries/section-60-arlington-national-cemetery/index.html
"If" they treat the place with the respect it deserves. If they treat the People with the respect they deserve, why can't they film?
We protect what needs to be protected. We also shine a beacon of light on things that need that. I don't think Hollywood could ever recreate Arlington, and for them to try... I don't know how I feel about that...
HBO recently did a documentary called Section 60: Arlington National Cemetery.
http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/section-60-arlington-national-cemetery/index.html#/documentaries/section-60-arlington-national-cemetery/index.html
"If" they treat the place with the respect it deserves. If they treat the People with the respect they deserve, why can't they film?
We protect what needs to be protected. We also shine a beacon of light on things that need that. I don't think Hollywood could ever recreate Arlington, and for them to try... I don't know how I feel about that...
HBO: Section 60 Arlington National Cemetary: Home
The official website for the HBO Documentary Film Section 60: Arlington National Cemetary, featuring videos, images, interviews, resources and schedule information.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. I really don't think it's that big of a deal. They're not going to damage anything. They're likely going to donate money to the grounds to keep them in better repair. And given the context they're shown in their performances, may get people to do more research on their history and the people interned.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
Some of the relatives got upset and it's their families and not the movie companies.
Seems like the folks with relatives might not have gotten a voice in the decision.
Seems like the folks with relatives might not have gotten a voice in the decision.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. Should they? I'm not convinced. Maybe i'm a jerk, but if it were a private business that owned the cemetery, they could do whatever they want. Granted, the VA should look after the wishes of the family of those interred there. But if this could be an opportunity for the VA or local or state government to get support, this doesn't sound all bad, exactly.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
A valid point IMHO .. I am also curious as to how the circumstances played out that ended up with those folks feeling abused.
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I agree with all of you. My initial thought was, where has Respect gone in this country. Hollywood can build anything they need., and if not they can green screen it. Again the VA approved the decision, so that tells you why it happened. Keep sacred grounds sacred.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
I'm thinking those permits should be in the hands of the local VFW .. or at least a say-so .. I bet the Planning and Zoning commission gets a bigger vote.
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