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I am currently going to an Army Base that prohibits backpacks and water bottles due to 'Safety' concerns. The Soldiers who go to this dining facility are going through an NCO Academy and I am going through Field Grade Officer class. I am in CONUS. I am not sure what risk to safety that brings. We all present Government ID cards to dine. I suspect they fear WMDS or something? Very silly, right?
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MSgt Richard Rountree
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This isn't an answer to your exact question but it is a bit funny. My USAF unit attended an Army Dining-In at Hq VII Corps at Kelly Barracks in Stuttgart GE in the mid 1980s. One of the rules of the Mess was no outside alcohol was allowed. When the Dining-In started, the Mess Sgt at Arms inspected the room for rule violations. He came straight to our table, lifted the tablecloth and retrieved a 6-pack of beer that 'someone' had duct-taped under our table. We were all sent to the Grog bowl... What a great setup!
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Worthy mention and good use of initiative!
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So Mr. Vice let you go first? LOL
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MSgt Richard Rountree
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Mr. Vice...I had forgotten that term. That was my first and last Dining-In and my memory of it has faded somewhat! We were certain the Army had set us up...no one at the table knew anything about the beer. We learned a lot about Army tradition's that night. It was a great time and a lesson in how much fun brotherhood and camaraderie can be.
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SGM Billy Herrington
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Water bottles are a sanitation issue with the DFAC. You drink from bottle then put it up to the nozzle or whatever fill device, it touches where your lips did. 15 people before you did the same. Etc etc. that's the explanation I received once about the no water bottles.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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LTC (Join to see) - We can guess all day long as to the "safety" concerns, but a simple question to the DFAC NCOIC will actually answer the question. The NCOIC will either know the answer or parrot "safety" , If the NCOIC does not know an actual answer , challenge him to go through his leadership and find out why... Suggest he may find it is an outdated policy he can take pride in knowing he corrected...or come to understand the commanders intent and understand why it is vital he work towards enforcing the policy.
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LTC (Join to see) - We had a no backpack rule in Kandahar because a TCN came in wearing one and blew himself up in the dinning hall.
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TSgt William Meyer - Will/Bill thanks for letting me know about another DEFAC tragedy.

I suspect having a blanket SOP like this is silly especially the DEFAC at Fort Dix (I left there today, I got my letter of completion and my grades too so no longer am I subject any harrassment.) is for an NCO Academy and a field grade officer class that 150 of them go to there. It is actually any kind of bag. Backpack, helmet bag anything you can carry not allowed as well as water bottles. I think if there was going to be someone wanting to go Jihad the bag would not stop them. I now think it could be they don't want us to put extra food in the bag to take to class or your car/home. We still have cargo pockets though LOL!

I am saying on RP here that we are not Jerry Lewis' special kids and we should be treated like adults. I think the idea may sound wise but it inconveniences soldiers who now have to go to class first with their bag or leave it in the car. I am aware of the bombings in 2003 in Mosul Defac and I forgot about the one you mentioned. I am not active army. I am just sharpshooting the culture of groupthink that some NCO imposes on all of us thinking that what is good in Theater is practical and wise in CONUS. I have seen other examples like putting barriers so you can't park within 2 rows of the Malmstrom AFB in thinking 40 feet of standoff space will protect your building from a terror attack by a carbomb in the parking lot when that car bomb of 50 lbs of C4 can be in row 4 and still blow out every window of the hotel. I am not a combat engineer but we had a 300 meter standoff distance for IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan. Someone gave me this idea about the Good Idea Fairty when I made other proposals on RP. LOL
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SGM Erik Marquez - Its a check the box thing I suppose so he can say that he did do a risk assessment when the chances of having someone come in with a device is really low. Now someone come in blazing with a firearm who is nuts/disgruntled...has happened but not because of the 'no this and no that' rule.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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I don't recall any strange rules like that in chow halls, other than they didn't like it when someone hung a bra over the dual outlets of the milk dispenser in Da Nang.
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That is funny! I suspect its the senior NCOIC power-tripping fifedom thing. This same chow hall allows NCOs from the academy to go sweaty to the chow hall too!
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