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So after not be allowed to go into the Schofield Barracks Commissary a few weeks ago due to wearing slightly factory 'frayed' shorts (not ripped, torn, etc). I have determined that there is a very loose interpretation of the Civilian Clothing policies, giving me the opinion that it’s completely at the courtesy patrol's discretion aka "I'll uphold the policy on whomever I want, but my friends can surely go in dressed inappropriately." My closet is filled with clothing bought at the military exchange and I have come to the determination that my clothing will probably never be acceptable. In other words, it is sold by the military exchange and has factory frayed, cut-off/ripped edges as done to nearly all clothes sold to women my age. To assure you I am not lying, I went to the Army Exchange website and pulled off a few examples of women's shorts on there (see picture). While this policy does not affect me much because I hardly ever shop at the commissary (I seldom cook), I know it does affect some families and cause unnecessary stress. (NOTE: The examples given and posted around post do not match what the policy actually states! Legal deniability?)
I not so secretly want to make a bunch of posters of a variety of satire (and possibly true) reponses concerning these policies, and put them all over base. But I won’t. However, I’m sorry if this post entices someone to do something in this regards. Anyways while I was brainstorming my mental rebellion, I came up with some reponses that I thought I would share.
1. “Was not allowed in the PX wearing clothes I bought at the PX…”
2. “(Soldier) now buys clothes off amazon in order to enter the PX to buy clothes to wear in the PX”
3. “I have not had a home cooked meal in months due to not being allowed in the commissary…been eating at Popeye’s and gained 30lbs”
4. (Based off #3) “Help fight American Obesity, rescind Military Civilian Clothing policies!”
5. “Couldn’t buy the new APFT uniform, my money was spent on ‘appropriate’ clothing so my wife could go shopping”
6. “I can’t go in! Why? It’s not my fault! My dog chewed holes in them!”
7. CP: “Ma’am, you can’t come in your child’s clothing is dirty”
Mother “My son is 6-months old…he drools...”
Anyone have something to add to this list?
And on a more serious note, should we be concerned about the effect these policies are having on military families? What can be done when you are denied entry when dressed appropriately?
I not so secretly want to make a bunch of posters of a variety of satire (and possibly true) reponses concerning these policies, and put them all over base. But I won’t. However, I’m sorry if this post entices someone to do something in this regards. Anyways while I was brainstorming my mental rebellion, I came up with some reponses that I thought I would share.
1. “Was not allowed in the PX wearing clothes I bought at the PX…”
2. “(Soldier) now buys clothes off amazon in order to enter the PX to buy clothes to wear in the PX”
3. “I have not had a home cooked meal in months due to not being allowed in the commissary…been eating at Popeye’s and gained 30lbs”
4. (Based off #3) “Help fight American Obesity, rescind Military Civilian Clothing policies!”
5. “Couldn’t buy the new APFT uniform, my money was spent on ‘appropriate’ clothing so my wife could go shopping”
6. “I can’t go in! Why? It’s not my fault! My dog chewed holes in them!”
7. CP: “Ma’am, you can’t come in your child’s clothing is dirty”
Mother “My son is 6-months old…he drools...”
Anyone have something to add to this list?
And on a more serious note, should we be concerned about the effect these policies are having on military families? What can be done when you are denied entry when dressed appropriately?
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Just the follow the rules, abide by the policy, or choose not to shop in the establishment.
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Well, the few times I go into the Exchange, Shopette, or Commissary wearing a Kilt, I get some confused looks overall... But its not like I'm going full Mel Gibson as William Wallace either....
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The Marine Corps used to warn us about wearing, "kiss me, fuck me" shorts, back in the day....I still laugh like hell at the expression....
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Refrain from the, "kiss me, fuck me" shorts, always. It's a sad state of affairs....
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This is sad, so I guess you can't go to the beach either in your bikini because you are a soldier and soldier shouldn't wear stuff like that. I am being sarcastic right now because this is very stupid. If they sale it dammit you should be able to wear it wherever you want.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
Yeah, this island is messed up. I've been tempted to fake a heat injury before just to write a complaint that I wasn't allowed into the commissary to get water. I have too much integrity to it, but the idiocracy of these policies makes it tempting.
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There have been times in the Navy where I would have to wear my uniform belt in civilian clothes because I rarely wear a belt in jeans, khakis, etc. The way I look at it is: my shirt usually hangs over the top of my pants so my belt isn't visible to begin with, and I buy pants that actually fit so I don't need a belt.
However, Navy instructions (or local command instructions) dictate that if your pants have belt loops then you must wear a belt.
This is by far the absolute stupidest civilian clothing wear rule I have ever seen.
I'm so glad I'm now retired and can wear pretty much WTF I want to. There have been times when I've went into the commissary or NEX/BX/PX/etc. wearing a tank top and flip flops just for the principle of the matter.
However, Navy instructions (or local command instructions) dictate that if your pants have belt loops then you must wear a belt.
This is by far the absolute stupidest civilian clothing wear rule I have ever seen.
I'm so glad I'm now retired and can wear pretty much WTF I want to. There have been times when I've went into the commissary or NEX/BX/PX/etc. wearing a tank top and flip flops just for the principle of the matter.
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SGT Kristin Wiley Can you tell us the incident in detail? Who didn't allow you to go into the commissary? What was the exact dialogue? etc?
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SGT Kristin Wiley
I honestly have no idea, I would say at least 6 months ago. I don't work on that base, so I can't tell you how they are selected. All I know is that if the stores are open, the CP are at each entrance.
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SPC Christopher Green I don't know when they started having CP. But it has been around for a while, at least for a few years. I can't say how they do it in Hawaii. In JBLM (Fort Lewis), CP is like staff duty and they go to a list of locations to show presence in uniform. They usually go to bars and clubs or where Soldiers would cause problem when they are drunk.
SGT Kristin Wiley You can probably still can file a complaint. You just have to provide the "5W" and the identifying descriptions of the E7. If you have the time, find out who authorizes that policy. Go to that command and show them your shorts in question. You can find out if your shorts is against the policy or not. If it doesn't, you can tell the CP your little finding next time.
SGT Kristin Wiley You can probably still can file a complaint. You just have to provide the "5W" and the identifying descriptions of the E7. If you have the time, find out who authorizes that policy. Go to that command and show them your shorts in question. You can find out if your shorts is against the policy or not. If it doesn't, you can tell the CP your little finding next time.
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SPC Christopher Green, SGT Kristin Wiley: CP originally started in Japan and Korea back, probably before the Army was even formed... or at least as long as we've been stationing troops there. CP is supposed to enforce curfew standards, provide assistance to Soldiers in trouble or in need of help, and help the MPs deal with rowdy Soldiers. The CP usually (in Korea) has 1-2 MPs, and 1-2 non-MP types who get detailed from their unit (depending on location) anywhere from 1 night (not typical) to 1 month (typically). As for in Hawaii, it sounds to me like the Garrison commander has had an issue with Soldiers either being disrespectful, ignoring regs, or violating some policy, and he (she?) probably saw this in Korea and thought it is a "great idea". Keep in mind that CP in Korea is also there to deal with the local Koreans, including the Korean Police - because Soldiers quite frequently get into hot water with them when they go out drinking. As for HI, I agree, this is a Commander who has no clue how to lead - except by forcing Soldiers to comply.
SSG James J. Palmer IV: IF someone told me to shave on weekends, at my house, when I'm off, I'd be telling them to get bent... Some regs are just about as screwed up as a football bat.
SSG James J. Palmer IV: IF someone told me to shave on weekends, at my house, when I'm off, I'd be telling them to get bent... Some regs are just about as screwed up as a football bat.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
I can understand the need for it overseas. We need to be respectful to the host nation and enforcing the policies that have been set in place. If the CP was respectful and polite than there would be no issues, but it clearly serves to further hostility in an already hostile environment from my perspective.
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