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So after not be allowed to go into the Schofield Barracks Commissary a few weeks ago due to wearing slightly factory 'frayed' shorts (not ripped, torn, etc). I have determined that there is a very loose interpretation of the Civilian Clothing policies, giving me the opinion that it’s completely at the courtesy patrol's discretion aka "I'll uphold the policy on whomever I want, but my friends can surely go in dressed inappropriately." My closet is filled with clothing bought at the military exchange and I have come to the determination that my clothing will probably never be acceptable. In other words, it is sold by the military exchange and has factory frayed, cut-off/ripped edges as done to nearly all clothes sold to women my age. To assure you I am not lying, I went to the Army Exchange website and pulled off a few examples of women's shorts on there (see picture). While this policy does not affect me much because I hardly ever shop at the commissary (I seldom cook), I know it does affect some families and cause unnecessary stress. (NOTE: The examples given and posted around post do not match what the policy actually states! Legal deniability?)
I not so secretly want to make a bunch of posters of a variety of satire (and possibly true) reponses concerning these policies, and put them all over base. But I won’t. However, I’m sorry if this post entices someone to do something in this regards. Anyways while I was brainstorming my mental rebellion, I came up with some reponses that I thought I would share.
1. “Was not allowed in the PX wearing clothes I bought at the PX…”
2. “(Soldier) now buys clothes off amazon in order to enter the PX to buy clothes to wear in the PX”
3. “I have not had a home cooked meal in months due to not being allowed in the commissary…been eating at Popeye’s and gained 30lbs”
4. (Based off #3) “Help fight American Obesity, rescind Military Civilian Clothing policies!”
5. “Couldn’t buy the new APFT uniform, my money was spent on ‘appropriate’ clothing so my wife could go shopping”
6. “I can’t go in! Why? It’s not my fault! My dog chewed holes in them!”
7. CP: “Ma’am, you can’t come in your child’s clothing is dirty”
Mother “My son is 6-months old…he drools...”
Anyone have something to add to this list?
And on a more serious note, should we be concerned about the effect these policies are having on military families? What can be done when you are denied entry when dressed appropriately?
I not so secretly want to make a bunch of posters of a variety of satire (and possibly true) reponses concerning these policies, and put them all over base. But I won’t. However, I’m sorry if this post entices someone to do something in this regards. Anyways while I was brainstorming my mental rebellion, I came up with some reponses that I thought I would share.
1. “Was not allowed in the PX wearing clothes I bought at the PX…”
2. “(Soldier) now buys clothes off amazon in order to enter the PX to buy clothes to wear in the PX”
3. “I have not had a home cooked meal in months due to not being allowed in the commissary…been eating at Popeye’s and gained 30lbs”
4. (Based off #3) “Help fight American Obesity, rescind Military Civilian Clothing policies!”
5. “Couldn’t buy the new APFT uniform, my money was spent on ‘appropriate’ clothing so my wife could go shopping”
6. “I can’t go in! Why? It’s not my fault! My dog chewed holes in them!”
7. CP: “Ma’am, you can’t come in your child’s clothing is dirty”
Mother “My son is 6-months old…he drools...”
Anyone have something to add to this list?
And on a more serious note, should we be concerned about the effect these policies are having on military families? What can be done when you are denied entry when dressed appropriately?
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You're wearing a all white t-shirt with no pockets on it? Soldier did you know you're not allowed to mix and match uniform items with civilian clothes? But I bought it at the PX and the tag says Polo. Sorry in accordance with the Post CG, and my interpretation of AR 670-1, I cannot allow you into the PX. I might be the old man here, I remember you couldn't wear an all white t-shirt into the chow hall if it didn't have some design or pocket on it. It was considered an uniform item. The Mess Sergeant would send you packing. PT's after PT has long been over, try again. Dirty uniform? Sucks to be you.
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One question. How are the dependents treated when they dress in this fashion. When you are in mufti, who knows if you are AD or a dependent or a Veteran? If all are denied per an existing dress code, thems the breaks. BTW, doesn't particularly bother me either way.
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SCHOFIELD? ROFLMBO. This is Hawaii! Go to any store in the "real" world and see nearly naked people.
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When all of this started a year ago I just KNEW there would be an Army spouse who would get called out for their attire, get pissed and call a Congressman and all of this would just "go away". Hasn't that happened yet? If not, you Army spouses are slacking on the job and cruising for a good reprimand in your permanent record LOL
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We had similar issues with the CPs on Ft Stewart. CSM hated baggie pants and dirty cloths and I was ok with that. But when they started trolling the Wal-Mart parking lot I got annoyed. If I'm not coming on post I don't shave and while I fully support the COC don't think your coming into my off post housing.
I'm guessing this wouldn't be acceptable. Does look great with the dress mess jacket and mini medals.
I'm guessing this wouldn't be acceptable. Does look great with the dress mess jacket and mini medals.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
With the downsizing, I see CPs as a waste of resources. We claim we need more personnel, then waste them on bullshit duties that serve no legitimate purpose. I'm sure all Garrison Commanders want their soldiers to dress respectfully, but going to extreme means to enforce a professional dress code in all aspects of a soldiers life is not the answer.
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I could understand if you where a guy wearing a pair of Daisy Dukes with your coin purses hanging out, that would be wrong for a variety of reasons. As to the top picture I don't see how those are inappropriate at all.
So what about jogging off duty in yoga shorts (some I've seen would be closer to a thong than a pair of shorts), going to the beach or pool in a bikini, or painting the house in an old pair of torn up shorts and ratty t-shirt. I think the military has more important things to do than to play fashion police.
However it looks like Montana lawmakers have nothing better to do either as they seam to be up in arms about yoga pants. Last time I checked you could still buy alcohol, cigarettes, and even go to a strip club in Montana, so I'd really like to know why yoga pants are the scourge of the earth.
http://www.montanakaimin.com/news/article_9deda42a-b7f3-11e4-a1f9-7764c5844c91.html
So what about jogging off duty in yoga shorts (some I've seen would be closer to a thong than a pair of shorts), going to the beach or pool in a bikini, or painting the house in an old pair of torn up shorts and ratty t-shirt. I think the military has more important things to do than to play fashion police.
However it looks like Montana lawmakers have nothing better to do either as they seam to be up in arms about yoga pants. Last time I checked you could still buy alcohol, cigarettes, and even go to a strip club in Montana, so I'd really like to know why yoga pants are the scourge of the earth.
http://www.montanakaimin.com/news/article_9deda42a-b7f3-11e4-a1f9-7764c5844c91.html
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SGT Kristin Wiley
I don't understand why we focus so much on unimportant issues. We are downsizing, claiming we need more troops, yet assigning them to useless duties like courtesy patrol. Yoga shorts I can see as inappropriate, but yoga pants? As long as they aren't see through I don't see the problem. Especially living in Hawaii, where everyone off-post is wearing a lot less.
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Which is glad I happen to live near an AF base. They have their own brand of stupidity, but at least the AF isn not patrolling my Army Reserve and wife of ARES' civvies yet.
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I remember an episode in Germany back in the eighties when the community commander decided that biker pants would no longer be allowed to be worn after his teenage daughter, who incidentally lived wearing them and had ample attributes for maximizing effect, got pregnant.
Typically, rather than police his daughters activities and behavior to prevent her illegitimate pregnancy and holding his daughter accountable for her for her risky behavior and horrible decision making, he decided the solution to his problem was to blame the clothing she wore and then impose his will onto every soldier under his command.
The only true result of his edict was that there was a run on biker pants within 24 hours after he issued the order and doentyw next month or so, there were too many violations of his policy that he finally decided that it wasn’t worth the headache.
Caviat: I don’t suggest using that method of stating a position as a cure all. What was successful in on instance might exacerbate a problem an another. People are funny that way.
What I would do is gather evidentiary information to support what you believe is happening and include it in the complaint if that is the action you decide to take. Photos of “inappropriate” items sold in the PX, of other individuals being allowed by CP personnel wearing same, written statements of other who may volunteer their support, and verifiable videnve of any locations in question along with date/time stamps with provable facts included. It may result in a policy change and it may not. The more thorough and substantive your complaint is, the more attention it will garner. Hell, make up a whole packet and send it up the chain.
Be ready for blowback though. Nobody in authority likes being called out on their own bullshit...lol
Typically, rather than police his daughters activities and behavior to prevent her illegitimate pregnancy and holding his daughter accountable for her for her risky behavior and horrible decision making, he decided the solution to his problem was to blame the clothing she wore and then impose his will onto every soldier under his command.
The only true result of his edict was that there was a run on biker pants within 24 hours after he issued the order and doentyw next month or so, there were too many violations of his policy that he finally decided that it wasn’t worth the headache.
Caviat: I don’t suggest using that method of stating a position as a cure all. What was successful in on instance might exacerbate a problem an another. People are funny that way.
What I would do is gather evidentiary information to support what you believe is happening and include it in the complaint if that is the action you decide to take. Photos of “inappropriate” items sold in the PX, of other individuals being allowed by CP personnel wearing same, written statements of other who may volunteer their support, and verifiable videnve of any locations in question along with date/time stamps with provable facts included. It may result in a policy change and it may not. The more thorough and substantive your complaint is, the more attention it will garner. Hell, make up a whole packet and send it up the chain.
Be ready for blowback though. Nobody in authority likes being called out on their own bullshit...lol
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Yet another instance of the army treating adults like children. And the sad part is a lot of you will think that it's ok.
Listen people. We are all born naked. Nobody cares about nudity until we are taught one way or the other. If someone wants to wear cutoff shorts, or no shorts, then it shouldn't be any concern of yours.
Listen people. We are all born naked. Nobody cares about nudity until we are taught one way or the other. If someone wants to wear cutoff shorts, or no shorts, then it shouldn't be any concern of yours.
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