Posted on Mar 10, 2014
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I'll be making the jump to ROTC in the next few months and I am wondering how competitive it is to secure Active duty AND Branch slots? Any new LT's have any insight?
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I commissioned in January of 2012. The process may have
changed, but this is what it looked like for me:

You are assessed against all of your peers (everyone
commissioning in your year group). Each cadet is placed in an OML that is
country-wide. It’s based off of a point system. During my year, the top 50% got
active duty and the bottom 50% got ARNG. The numbers change every year based on
the needs of the Army. If you WANT reserve or guard, you will get it.

50% of your accession criteria is Grades. This is the most
important part!

The rest of your points are divided up between your APFT at
home station (your school), your APFT at LDAC, your performance during graded
tasks and class at your university, and your performance at LDAC. There is a
little room for the discretion of your PMS and peers as well. Grades are the
most important part by far.

If you manage to assess into the RA, you will list your top
10 branch choices and your top 10 duty station assignments. The top 10% of
cadets in the country are guaranteed their branch of choice.

The most competitive branches during my year were 1)
Aviation 2) Infantry 3) MI. 

I graduated with a 2.8 GPA (garbage), but was very
successful on the military side. I also committed to an additional service
obligation which caused me to incur 3 extra years of service in exchange for a
better chance of getting my number 1 choice, Infantry.

Shoot me a note or add me if you want more info. And good
luck!



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Thanks sir, I sent you an add request. From what I understand, the Army cut new officers by 20% but I don't know if its across the board or reserve components as well.
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Thanks sir, I sent you an add request. From what I understand, the Army cut new officers by 20% but I don't know if its across the board or reserve components as well.
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LTC Haimes (Andy) Kilgore
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As a former PMS, I say that everything depends on your grades.  If you are G2G, you will be active duty once commissioned, but if you don't have good grades you will not get a combat arms branch.  If you want to actually talk about this, let me know and I'll send you a cell number for me.
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LTC Haimes (Andy) Kilgore
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Yes, after your you complete your obligation (different number of years depending on your situation), you may be able to switch components (NG to Rerserves or the other way around). I have heard rumors of the honor grad getting getting to come on active duty from BOLC or Ranger School, but I don't think that is still possible.
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Thanks sir!
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Sir, there are three options under G2G. Did you mean the cadets from all three are gonna get AD or just the active duty option cadeta?
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Sir, what do you mean by saying g2g will get AD? I thought only g2g AD option is guaranteed a AD slot, right ?
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COL Jon Thompson
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I am the Recruiting Operations Officer for an ROTC program.  Right now, active duty is very competitive and will become even more so as the Army draws down.  That being said, you have a lot of the share in shaping your future.  40% of your final score is based on your college grades.  Typical AD GPAs are above 3.0.  15% of your score is based on your APFT scores taken during your junior year.  The remaining 45% is based on assessments and your performance.  So 55% of your score is totally up to you.  I tell all Cadets to stay focused on academics.  You may be the best Cadet but if you do not graduate, you will not become an Officer.  Feel free to contact me if you need any more information. 
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COL Jon Thompson
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SSG (Join to see) While I am not directly involved with the accessions process, from what you described, that Vader should be competitive for AD. The grades are good and there is a lot more besides that. I know there are some other things such as an ADSO that can help.
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Sir, i am a g2g cadet at Johns Hopkins University. I am wondering if its gonna boost my chance for the component, not the branch, by extending my contract for more years of service? COL Jon Thompson -
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COL Jon Thompson
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SPC (Join to see) - I know ADSOs can improve your chances of branch. I am not specifically involved in the accessions process so I don't know the details of how it works with component. Your PMS should do that counseling and hopefully provide professional development classes on that for the cadets so they know what to strive for. What I tell all cadets and prospects is that grades are most important. Get the OML model from your PMS or instructor so you know. If you are an MSIV, there probably isn't a lot you can do now to affect that but you can if you are an MSI-III. Good luck.
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Sir, thanks for your inout. I am MS III Cadet. I just got in the cadet land and i really want to get AD. Do you what standardized tests we are gonna take during the summer camp?COL Jon Thompson -
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Securing Active Duty and Branch after ROTC
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Great Question!!!!! Here is the deal, now, and deal is changing, as SROTC is redoing its whole accessions process. And, assuming you don't Guard or Reserve, which you can opt for via the Guaranteed Reserves Forces Duty (GFRD) option.

If Active Duty is your goal, the bottomline to guarantee your position on active duty, the branch of your choice, and your first duty assignment (ROTC, USMA, and OCS) is all about OML (Order of Merit List).

Every Cadet in ROTC, in the year you are commissioned (commissioning year or Year Group) is placed on an OML from say 1 to 6000 across every ROTC program in the nation. Number picks first, and so on... The higher your OML number, the more likely you get what you want... Based also on the needs of the Army.

ROTC commissions about 75% - 80% of all Army Officers each year, West Point about 15% and OCS the Balance; there also some direct commissions. This is ROTC vs. ROTC, not USMA or OCS; they both compete within their own commissioning groups.

OML is roughly based on (It changes from year to year, and is changing now):

40% on Academic GPA,
45% on Leadership/Military Grades: ROTC Grades, Summer Camps (Basic and LDAC), PMS grades...
15% Physical Fitness (Fall and Spring APFT averages).

The bottomline, the better you do in ROTC (Academic GPA, military program, and PT) the more likely you will get what you want... Needs of the Army also always play in... But, do your best, and you will get what you want.

I hope this helps and good luck.
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COL Jon Thompson
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COL Charles Williams Great explanation. The new OML model is 50% academics with GPA and three standardized tests they take at Cadet Leader Course. Cadets no longer get an overall evaluation from camp as it has moved from leader assessment to leader development. There has been a lot of discussion on that. 15% still comes from the MSIII APFTs and the remaining 35% is somewhat subjective with PMS points, points for participation in different activities, points for STEM majors, etc. I tell all cadets that college academics has to be the number one priority for them. Alas, many still don't do that and are pretty much eliminated from active duty consideration after their freshman year.
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The best way to secure your branch and component is to keep your GPA up. The OML is giving more to people in STEMs degrees, especially engineering. Get involved on campus and the ROTC Battalion. Don't expect it to be like an operational unit and get frustrated because things are "jacked up". Take the time to coach and mentor cadets who don't know what you do about the military. You do this and I promise you will be happy with what you get. I'm not sure on statistics for this year, but last year most people who wanted active duty got it. A lot of people want to stay guard or reserves. Some sign contracts to go guard for more money. Branch is needs of the army, but new changes to OML policy gave a significant percentage their #1 pick and 9/10 their top 3 pick. Most competitive branches in order are aviation, military intelligence, and infantry usually. I commissioned summer of 2015.
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Actually, If you're near the top in your class, you'll be able to select your branch before your OSC counterparts, as well as opportunities for Airborne and Air Assault after you contract.
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From the meet and greets, I was told that top 10% on OML get first pick at everything. I mean, I'm a good student (better soldier but we'll see how that weighs in) but that's stiff competition for me.
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From the meet and greets, I was told that top 10% on OML get first pick at everything. I mean, I'm a good student (better soldier but we'll see how that weighs in) but that's stiff competition for me.
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Besides the obvious of keeping your grades I want to point out the necessity of learning how to be a n officer and not an NCO. Embrace your cadre and the cadets, both will help re-shape your leadership process. Being enlisted first, you need to make sure you can transition into the new branch.

I'm in the same boat, 8 years service, just now going to college and ROTC.
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Speaking as a former PMS at Eastern Washington University from 2009-2012 - selection rates to AD will be at or less than 50% until stabilization at the new Army Strength levels.  The three major things that will affect your standings in the OML are Grades, PT scores, and LDAC (now CLC -Cadet Leader Course). Branch selection is also competitive, using the same OML as AD. Important to note, Degrees are also becoming important in Active Duty as well as Branch selections. Several Branches, such as Engineer and Signal Corps now require a percentage(45% or higher the last couple years of my tour) of their new Lieutenants to have branch specific degrees.
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Come see me at drill this weekend and we can talk about ROTC.
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Roger sir.
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A more detailed idea of how I am going about this is that I am getting out of the Guard here, very soon and will be transferring to a University from my local CC to finish my last 2 years to receive my B.A. in History (I want to be a teacher later on down the road) and will begin ROTC as an MS III. I will also be applying shortly for the Big Army (as we call them) ROTC Scholarship in order to help foot the bill for rent so I'm not stuck in the CSUN dorms. My overall end goal of ROTC is to become an Armor Officer in the Active Duty.
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LTC Haimes (Andy) Kilgore
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You may get more money for college if you stay in the guard and do an SMP contract vs getting out and getting a scholarship.  If possible, SMP is always a better option than scholarship.  You also get credit for your SMP time for pay and a % for retirement.  Scholarship gives you nothing but money.
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I still have my GI Bill but being a NG, I don't get the full allotment for BAH and its really expensive to live out here in California and even more so that the schools I applied to are right in LA county and another right smack in the middle of San Diego. Paying for school isn't the issue, its paying the rent.
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SPC (Join to see) - If you are looking for active duty, scholarship is the way to go. If you stay in the guard and go SMP, your only scholarship is a guaranteed reserve forced duty scholarship and that takes active duty off the table. You can go non-scholarship contract as an SMP cadet but you would lose money that way. Compete for a scholarship. If you get one, you can elect to receive $5000/semester room and board allowance.
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