Posted on Jun 12, 2015
Several approved variations of the Army camo uniform. Seems sloppy and unprofessional. Thoughts?
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http://www.armytimes.com/media/cinematic/video/28340837
So many variations to the Army camo uniforms... it really has the potential to be SLOPPY as hell. Do you agree?
I think military base commanders, depending upon their location/region, should set the STANDARD uniform for that base.
I couldn't imagine a formation of troops, mix-matched, being photographed or video recorded and shared with the world. Embarrassing.
EDIT: Just to clarify my statement, I think each of the uniforms look just fine. That isn't my point. My point is that the article/video claims that ALL of the camo uniforms, along with variations of belt colors, t-shirt colors, boots, etc. are all fair game. Any individual, supposedly, can choose which uniform they will report to work with. In my opinion, this leads to an overall sloppy look for a unit. That's what I probably should have said from the start.
So many variations to the Army camo uniforms... it really has the potential to be SLOPPY as hell. Do you agree?
I think military base commanders, depending upon their location/region, should set the STANDARD uniform for that base.
I couldn't imagine a formation of troops, mix-matched, being photographed or video recorded and shared with the world. Embarrassing.
EDIT: Just to clarify my statement, I think each of the uniforms look just fine. That isn't my point. My point is that the article/video claims that ALL of the camo uniforms, along with variations of belt colors, t-shirt colors, boots, etc. are all fair game. Any individual, supposedly, can choose which uniform they will report to work with. In my opinion, this leads to an overall sloppy look for a unit. That's what I probably should have said from the start.
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The definition of the word "uniform" means everyone looks the same.
The Army is trying to ease the pain by having a long transition period. This saves money, wears out existing stocks, and allows the supply chain to ramp up vs surging. It also fits the Army's narrative about having different colored OCIE.
I do think it will look sloppy, but that doesn't preclude the commander from prescribing what will be worn at a ceremony or event.
Out in the motor pool, it doesn't really matter.
The Army is trying to ease the pain by having a long transition period. This saves money, wears out existing stocks, and allows the supply chain to ramp up vs surging. It also fits the Army's narrative about having different colored OCIE.
I do think it will look sloppy, but that doesn't preclude the commander from prescribing what will be worn at a ceremony or event.
Out in the motor pool, it doesn't really matter.
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Cpl Anthony Pearson
Good point. I do understand (and remember well) how expensive it is for POORLY PAID enlisted members having to purchase new uniforms.
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LTC Jason Mackay
we lived this with the BDU to ACU. About halfway through, the hold outs retire or convert. All your new soldiers come in with it issued. Deploying units will likely be issued two sets so that will thicken compliance. By 2018, you might only see reserve components still in ACU.
For us old timers like me we will start buying pieces until we can go field one set for our selves. Then thicken from there. Also delaying a minute until they publish all guidance on it (badges sewn on etc) and get adequate sizes fielded.
This is concurrent with PT uniform transition. Can't win.
For us old timers like me we will start buying pieces until we can go field one set for our selves. Then thicken from there. Also delaying a minute until they publish all guidance on it (badges sewn on etc) and get adequate sizes fielded.
This is concurrent with PT uniform transition. Can't win.
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The thing is, the Army did a camouflage replacement test for the BDU 10 years ago, and it was accepted as given that the "MultiCam" was going to be the replacement. I know a lot of people were stunned when the awful and ineffective ACU digital camo was chosen instead. But the Army was so fixated on the Marine success with their digital uniforms, they just had to have their own and nothing else would be acceptable, I guess-- effectiveness and common sense be damned.
So after 10 years of fumbling, stumbling, and bumbling, someone finally "spined up" and admitted that this train has jumped the tracks, and the expensive new toy the command got hasn't worked. So now money has to be re-diverted to a program that should have been done years ago.
Understand that the transition from plain green to the BDU camo went slowly. 20 years later the Army was still slowly, slowly phasing in BDU field equipment-- rucksacks, sleeping bags, and so on were still partially OD green and BDU camo. When the decision was made to go to ACU, they made sure the change was sweeping, and everyone got ACU field gear, top to bottom. They even re-issued fanny packs, created the lightweight "assault pack" and fast-tracked ACU ballistic vests, all with the new pattern. The Army was outfitted with the ACU gear on a scale and speed not seen before.
Now all of it --ALL OF IT-- has to be undone. Millions of dollars of technically serviceable gear is about to get surplussed because it is a crap camo pattern that won't work with the MultiCam "Scorpion" style. So this is going to be a period of confusion, and an "accordion effect" will undoubtedly be rippling through the supply & logistics chain for quite awhile. All because of a really stupid decision made by people who should have known better 10 years ago.
So I chose "I don't care either way" because even though I obviously have thoughts on the matter (ha, ha) I am willing to let this play out and accept some sloppity-ass uniform standards for a couple years if that is the price to pay for straightening out the much larger problem created by the ACU camo pattern, overall.
So after 10 years of fumbling, stumbling, and bumbling, someone finally "spined up" and admitted that this train has jumped the tracks, and the expensive new toy the command got hasn't worked. So now money has to be re-diverted to a program that should have been done years ago.
Understand that the transition from plain green to the BDU camo went slowly. 20 years later the Army was still slowly, slowly phasing in BDU field equipment-- rucksacks, sleeping bags, and so on were still partially OD green and BDU camo. When the decision was made to go to ACU, they made sure the change was sweeping, and everyone got ACU field gear, top to bottom. They even re-issued fanny packs, created the lightweight "assault pack" and fast-tracked ACU ballistic vests, all with the new pattern. The Army was outfitted with the ACU gear on a scale and speed not seen before.
Now all of it --ALL OF IT-- has to be undone. Millions of dollars of technically serviceable gear is about to get surplussed because it is a crap camo pattern that won't work with the MultiCam "Scorpion" style. So this is going to be a period of confusion, and an "accordion effect" will undoubtedly be rippling through the supply & logistics chain for quite awhile. All because of a really stupid decision made by people who should have known better 10 years ago.
So I chose "I don't care either way" because even though I obviously have thoughts on the matter (ha, ha) I am willing to let this play out and accept some sloppity-ass uniform standards for a couple years if that is the price to pay for straightening out the much larger problem created by the ACU camo pattern, overall.
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