Sharia law vs. gay rights. Is our country headed for a conflict?

I hate to say it but yes I think we are.

Oh! It seems you thought I was complimenting you. How clumsy of me! Now where did I put my sarcasm font....?

I can tell you where to put it!

LTC Bink Romanick I'd like to invite you to unfollow the discussion, or regoup and knock off the passive-aggressive nonsense.

Ever been to Milbrae, CA, near the San Francisco airport ? Pretty much been taken over by Chinese immigrants. Private banks, lots of businesses where only Chinese is spoken. This is a typical immigrant pattern - people move to where others like them live. It eases the transition. Now we all know the Chinese hack us, steal secrets, make crap products and generally do not operate in our best interests. So are they a menace or do they get a pass because nobody cares as long as they aren't Muslim?

My point is people are always afraid of strangers and their strange ways - Xenophobia- Greek for fear of strangers. The easiest way to overcome that fear is go talk to some of whatever group it is you are worried about. Go visit a mosque and talk to the preacher. Ask your questions about Sharia. Satisfy yourself by getting first hand information.

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world. Daesh (ISIS) might have 50,000 members, a very small percentage - but if they can drive a wedge, sew hate and discontent amongst friends, well then they can win. We must fight ignorance.

Maj Mike Sciales There is a huge difference between an irrational fear of strangers and seeing things for what they are. Houston has a pretty significant Vietnamese population. In fact there are places around town where there is a lot of signage in Vietnamese. The difference is that they aren't guarding their compounds with rifles and demanding to use Vietnamese tribunals in lieu of American courts. Nor do they call for jihad. Making moral equivalents out of dissimilar situations insults both our intelligence.

SGT Efaw (Mick) G. And there are people preaching violence against whites. Just do a google search of Malik Zulu Shabazz and Louis Farrakhan. The difference is that white supremacists don't have nearly the following or sympathizers because most people are more sensible than that.

Clealry you have an agenda against Muslims and I get that. It is your right to be ignorant and live in world full of fear of the "other" but just come out and say that. Your allusions to ridiculous "what ifs" and clearly non-factual examples are just an attempt to hide that view. How many muslims do you personally know? It is easy to fear something and thing the worse of it unless you are familiar with it. Go to your local mosque if there is one and speak to the Imam, I assure you, you won't come out with an insatiable urge to bomb people and inanimate objects. But I guarantee you your fears will be gone. Take a knee, get some fresh air SFC Lyden. The world isn't so scary.

I haven't seen any move towards "Sharia" except for people trying to get bibles in the classroom as a legitimate text book. Why not the Qu'uran? Let in one, let in all.

PVT (Join to see) - I just don't agree with saying that because homosexuals are given the right to marry that now we are going to see some religious law take hold in the country. Every religion has a set of church laws, in the United Methodist Church they call them Cannons. These are rules that govern the church and the people that work for the church. As a minister, my father is bond to follow these rules when making decisions for the church. They do not impact us in any other way but to say what my dad can and cannot do in his official role as a representative of the church.

Sharia is along the same lines. You are not going to see the Bill of Rights or the Constitution thrown aside and replaced by one religion's rules. As I was staying yesterday, please people, take a deep breath. The sky is not falling. The horseman are not riding down from the clouds because now Same Sex Marriage is ruled as being legal by the Supreme Court. You can continue to live as you been living. The government is coming to take your guns or your right to say what you want to say. It's amazing to look back at history, every time a group was given the ability to pratice rights that others have had such as voting, working, using a bathroom that wasn't 20 feet outside the front door, or whatever other rights this country has eventually opened up to other groups; there are people that will jump up and start screaming. Using fear based methods to try and explain how the new change is bad when in reality the change is just one more step to equality. The same equality that we all fought for during our time in the service.

SGT Ben Keen Look, I couln't care less if gay people want to get married. I don't think the decision needed to be taken away from the states. And, there's no need to try to marginalize me by condescension and mocking with the whole "sky's not falling, horsemen...etc." Years ago nobody wanted to believe the gov't was monitoring all electronic communication. Now it's not only common knowledge, but we act as if it's normal. I'm not trying to scare people. What I am trying to do is make an observation that our society seems to be embracing two groups and their agendas that are likely to be on a collision course. And Sharia law in not along the same lines as other religious law. It is not compatible with our system of justice or societal norms. See the article I posted below - Islam: Governing under sharia.

PVT (Join to see) - My apologizes, I was not trying to single you out or mock you. I was merely commenting on the ways some people are taking it to a level that it really doesn't need to go. Some people, either on the national news, radio, blogs, or on the streets are just acting as though this is the first time anything has ever changed. I guess my frustration with people's lack of an educated response just bubbled over and again I didn't mean to mock you or to reduce your point in any way. We all know this debate will echo in the halls for weeks, months and years to come but I'm sure the same thing happened with all the other changes the country has gone through.

CPT Ahmed Faried Read the entire thread. FoxNews counts just as much as CNN, and way more than MSNBC.

Depends on your perspective. A person that sees all muslims as so scary like you is more likely to favor Fox News.

CPT Ahmed Faried I don't see them as scary. People like you always resort to ad hominem attacks when you're faced with people who disagree with you. A tactic used to marginalize someone, and therefore their side of the debate, before the debate even begins. I could just as easily say something unflattering about people who watch cnn or whatever your chosen source is, but that isn't productive to the conversation. You start out a conversation by automatically discounting a reputable news source because of your own personal bias. Sorry...I'm just not going to play that game. For the record - none of the sources I've cited here have come from Foxnews. But you would have known that had you taken the time to look at any of them. Information isn't scary captain. Go ahead and hold your opinion, but do so fully informed. Take a knee, get some fresh air, and read up a little bit.

Agreed perception depends on where we choose to get our news. You don't have to come out and say it in as many words foryour general opinion of muslims to be evident. It took me only a quick browse of your muslim-related reponses for that to be clear. Long weekend coming up, I intend to take that knee.

LTC (Join to see) Presumptiveness seems to know no limits. The ridiculous part is that you are persistently avoiding the issue that there is a movement of people desiring to implement sharia law in our country. Whether it is acheived officially and sanctioned by the Constitution, courts and government, or it is acheived unofficially by calling it a religious tribunal. Follow the link below to see the definition of a tribunal.

Edit: Sorry, delusional may not be correct. What would it take for you to be comfortable that sharia will not take over the court system?

LTC (Join to see) It would be great to see ballot initiatives that allow residents of each state to decide whether or not they want to ban or allow sharia courts/muslim tribunals. But, once again, my comfort level isn't really addressing the original intent of this discussion thread. To restate: Given the opposing agendas of muslims and gays are they (and by extension, we) on a collision course if/when our court system rules that religious institutions and pastors may not refuse to perform gay weddings without risking their tax-exempt status or state licenses to marry?

It is not possible for states (or the federal government) to require religious institutions to perform same-sex weddings. RFRA and the First Amendment forbid it; although I think RFRA violates the First Amendment. I know it is unconstitutional to allow ballot initiatives to ban religious organizations. Imagine if a ballot initiative banned the Bible; what insanity would follow?!

Furthermore, sharia cannot become the law of the land.

Because of those two facts, there is no collision course, therefore no collision. Have some faith in the system, that is all I'm saying.

We can always find an example of somebody out of 7 billion people who will commit some horrible act. Hindus burn Muslims in India, or Christian Ugandans murdering homosexuals, or Christian Right to lifers shooting abortion doctors or Jewish Fundamentalists shooting up a Mosque in Israel, or an ISIS chopping off heads of anybody (Muslim or Christian or Jew) who isn't them. Don't confuse random acts you see repeated ad Nadeem over a 24 hour news cycle with the reality.

MSG Brad Sand At the risk of sounding rude, please read through the thread for the links I've attached. In short: Judges have stricken down OK attempts to amend their state constitution to ban sharia law, Maxine Waters, D-CA, has recently stated her support for sharia law in the US, Muhammed Elibiary former adviser on DHS Security Council, muslim tribunal (sharia court) in Dallas TX, and a recent poll showing 51% of muslims in America preferring sharia law.

You're absolutely right that the two cannot coexist which is my original point. I'm wondering if the two are on a collision course because, eventually, I believe that churches are in danger of losing their tax-exempt status unless they conform to the new gay marriage law. I believe that there will come a day when courts will rule that refusing to perform a gay wedding will subject the pastor or church to litigation from gays wishing to drive the point home. If that happens then muslim mosques (as well as many Christian churches) will be pitted squarely against the gay agenda. Our society has gone to great lengths to accept and encourage both the gay and muslim agendas, but, again, they cannot coexist.

PVT (Join to see)

In our World, sounding rude probably means you are telling the truth.

In truth, I think I might prefer Sharia Law if our own courts are going to pervert the rule of law and undermine our Constitution? Additionally, these acts by the courts will drive people to something, so you may be correct but hopefully a bit early and 'We the People' are able to right our own ship...hopefully.

I do believe you are spot on with the coming attacks on churches because this what the LGBTQIA...I think it would be easier if they just put everyone but heterosexuals...community have stated they are going to do.

I fear the LGBTQIA community is making a fatal, and I do mean fatal, mistake if they link or push Christian into the Muslim camp because, while they follow the same God and can trace the same progenitor, the Christian faith is found on Christ and love. (I am not going to state the facts of Muslim foundation because of the haters)

2d Lt (Join to see)

So where are you going to side when they do start forcing pastors and priest to perform service because we already know this is coming because the LGBTQIA community has already stated this their plan? Additionally, trying to compare this to race questions is sign that you lack knowledge of the actual facts...which has been always a large part of the Progressive plan.

MSG Brad Sand,

I suppose it is a matter of different perspectives. I see it as a group of people who are being discriminated against, while many people see it as people being denied the right to discriminate. Much like civil rights movement, people can be stuck in the ways of old. The fact is however that sexual preference will be a protected category and our military needs to be ready and accept that.

2d Lt (Join to see)

Cool. I am going to let the NAZIs and KKK know you are going to support them when they want their cakes baked by Jews and Southern Blacks...because they are being discriminated against? It always amazes me how we can allow...even support and condone...something against the majority that we would never allow against any other group of people?

The majority of Americans support same sex marriage. I would not compare a married couple to the Nazis however. I hope your personal feelings will not interfere with your ability to lead such soldiers. That would be my biggest concern with your perspective.

What does that mean exactly? That means nothing about party affililiation?

LTC Bink Romanick Is it too small to read or something? You have to click the link to make it bigger. The very first graphic shows that 70% of muslims either identify themselves as democrats (that's a party affiliation) or lean democrat.

Wow. Black and white world SGT. Conservatives own guns, Liberals want them banned. Would I be a hybrid then if i own guns but agree with sensible regulation to keep them out of the hands of nut bags? You end with a call to celebrate our unity yet your comment is full of the Us vs. Them rhetoric tearing the country apart.

Indeed...It is destroying the country apart. By the way I guess I'm a hybrid too.