Posted on Apr 12, 2014
Shaved heads in basic training; is this mandatory? If it is, then why and why only for males?
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So I was in basic training land today to help with some medical stuff. I couldn't help but noticed all the shaved heads all over the place and then the females with 20 ft of hair. In an era where we are screaming equal treatment; is this equal?I am also wondering why does a new private have to get his head shaved in the first place? Why not just a haircut within Army Standards?
Have the lines between male and female been erased? Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.
ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.
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Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
Have the lines between male and female been erased? Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.
ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.
*****UPDATED******
Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
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I also feel if females can have their hair long or short as should I, I'm for 100 percent the same standard. I would have my long flowing locks in a too standard bun during duty hours .
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When I went to boot camp in 1983 we as females had to have our hair cut, granted not short but it could not be past your collar and most girls ended up with a very unattractive bob if they did not get hair cut before coming to boot camp. The reason hair is shaved is not for hazing but for personal hygiene reasons. Nat all people are clean when they head off to boot camp. So by shaving head it is a quick way to make sure there are no bugs!! Also there was a female I went to boot camp with that they did make her shave her head because she came to boot camp with rainbow colored hair.
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I will share a quote from my DS. "If you want hair, you will earn it." Mind you, there were no females in our basic. I believe they mostly do it for time constraints.
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I think in basic training, the head shaving is part of the "breaking down" of the person. Your gaining a new identity so shaving the head is part of erasing that identity you had before the military. It drives into your head(literally) that your part of the government you can't do what you want. Also it makes everyone uniform. Now with the females, in afi says that women are allowed short hair but it can't be shaved.
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During my time if a SM shaved his head and got a sunburn, he would be subject to an Article 15 for damaging Government Property. Enforced was the Army Standard haircut and shave, when questioned why at my time did was the Navy allowed to have a bearded, sailors out at sea cant catch lice's, we whom train in wooded area do or can. Please note that in my time, we didn't have to many females so if females in todays Armed Forces also train in the wooded areas, as I seen in my later years, this kind of brings up a new topic as to the logic of lice's or crabs as we would call them in Korea (Little chingo's (little friends)).
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SSG (ret) William Martin
I get a hair cut at a local gym once a week which is included in my membership fees. I normally get a medium fade, and I only trim the top of my head when I have to.
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Although it has already been mentioned it's a dead horse worth beating. If a Soldier is required to pay for a hair cut, that Soldier should have the of any style IAW AR 670-1
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I do think it is only because of tradition that us males have and had our heads shaved. But I think it should be continued as a tradition.
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I was always told the buzz cut for males is for hygienical purposes. I'm a firm believer that if females want equality it should be in everything, including the same standards in the field. If i go to the field for 2 weeks and females were to be in my infantry platoon i would expect them to have the same amenities and live just like us. I can see where this would be viewed as a not entirely equal situation. To some extent i agree that if they want total equality they would have to participate in such actions; but, you also have to imagine the outcry that would result from making a woman shave her head. Just think about all the bad publicity. I would even go as far as saying that they would claim its just men trying to discourage women from joining, and that would definitely bring some bad attention in an age where they're trying to push women into all combat MOS's.
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Well if it's for hygienic purposes then doesn't it make sense that a woman's longer hair could hold or carry more of those nasties. So therefore wouldn't it make sense that they would need the buzz cut even more than the male Soldier for that reason alone?
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When they were going to make the Army women cadet shave. I was going to shave my head. I usually don't rock the boat, but you are right why do they make guys not gals shave. You realize it's about egos. If I shaved my head, it would have been destruction of government property and I could have been in trouble. Trust me I do not fall on my sword often.
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This is not about comfort for the recruit. It is about quickly and effectively processing the recruit into a useful member of their Service. Men have specific grooming requirements. Women also have specific grooming requirements. They are different for each gender.
For men, the grooming requirement is best met with the "shaved head" treatment. It will take quite a while for the hair to grow back to anything near out of regulations. This leaves more time for training. That's an effective way to deal with grooming for recruits. By the time another haircut is needed, basic training should be complete.
For women, the standards are not nearly so strict. Long hair is allowed; the DOD determined that this would be acceptable for women and therefore rigorous grooming standards (as they might apply to men) do not apply to women; they have their own standards. In this case, the "shaved head" treatment for women does not contribute towards maintaining this standard. Therefore, it is not a requirement.
With all that said, requiring a "shaved head" treatment for both men and women might not be a bad idea, and should be examined (seriously) by the DOD. It could improve comradery between male and female recruits. In addition, while it might not be as critical for women, the "shaved head" look would contribute to effective grooming for women as well.
For men, the grooming requirement is best met with the "shaved head" treatment. It will take quite a while for the hair to grow back to anything near out of regulations. This leaves more time for training. That's an effective way to deal with grooming for recruits. By the time another haircut is needed, basic training should be complete.
For women, the standards are not nearly so strict. Long hair is allowed; the DOD determined that this would be acceptable for women and therefore rigorous grooming standards (as they might apply to men) do not apply to women; they have their own standards. In this case, the "shaved head" treatment for women does not contribute towards maintaining this standard. Therefore, it is not a requirement.
With all that said, requiring a "shaved head" treatment for both men and women might not be a bad idea, and should be examined (seriously) by the DOD. It could improve comradery between male and female recruits. In addition, while it might not be as critical for women, the "shaved head" look would contribute to effective grooming for women as well.
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1. because you were lawfully ordered to. 2 Traditional tactics have been to tear you down to build you up. It's hell getting so many all on the same page in so short a time. 3. Professional appearance.
Also, Women are supposed to have their hair UP in a bun when in uniform. As for Post basic, combat duty, if there is a risk of NBC threat, hair can get you killed. Especially facial hair.
Also, Women are supposed to have their hair UP in a bun when in uniform. As for Post basic, combat duty, if there is a risk of NBC threat, hair can get you killed. Especially facial hair.
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Both should have their heads shaved. It's about stripping off your old life as you transition to the military. If women want to be equal, they should get treated equally and their grapes should be shaved as well.
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The standards in AR 670-1 are different. You can add to but not take away.
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Everyone remembers how uncomfortable they were when they got to basic. The haircut is the first moment you look around and realize everyone else is just as uncomfortable as you are. You can’t pretend to be unphased by blood slowly dripping off your scalp. Basic would’ve been an entirely different environment if we didn’t start off on equal ground with the haircuts.
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Guys. What’s the issue with shaving your head during boot camp? Easy hygiene and maintenance for the next whatever weeks boot camp lasts. One less thing to worry about and enabling recruits to focus on their reason for being and focus on indoctrination and learning.
It’s an insignificant issue in the overall scheme of things.
Women are to have hair length within regulations, if they want to shave their head, they can. I don’t think most guys care one way or the other and leave it up to the ladies to do what they will with their hair.
Hair length is not a significant matter of equality.
It’s an insignificant issue in the overall scheme of things.
Women are to have hair length within regulations, if they want to shave their head, they can. I don’t think most guys care one way or the other and leave it up to the ladies to do what they will with their hair.
Hair length is not a significant matter of equality.
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I knew it was coming, but I thought I was gonna cry when they lopped off over a foot of hair! I’d never seen my scalp before that day...
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As I recall, the original reason for the close buzzcut in Boot was for hygiene, made it easier to get rid of lice and similar problems. Note also the buzzcut was very quick (mine took about 10 seconds as I recall). As to the issue of females, I see no reason why they shouldn't have the same haircut - for the same reasons...
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I couldn't even imagine being a military barber having 200 plus males telling me how they want their hair cut. We'd be there for days instead of hours.
I had long hair past my butt when I first joined. It was such a pain keeping it up and maintaining military standards while being smoked by the DS. Don't even get me started with getting my brain bucket or gas mask on quickly and fitting properly.
I finally asked the DS for an appointment with a beautician to cut my hair. He asked me why so I undid my hair. I remember him yelling holy shit private that's a shit ton of hair. He had no clue what to do for me. He had to contact another female DS. We did end up finding some one to cut off my hair. I went from hair past my but to hair above my collar. I thought he was going to shit his pants when I came back to the barracks.
I had long hair past my butt when I first joined. It was such a pain keeping it up and maintaining military standards while being smoked by the DS. Don't even get me started with getting my brain bucket or gas mask on quickly and fitting properly.
I finally asked the DS for an appointment with a beautician to cut my hair. He asked me why so I undid my hair. I remember him yelling holy shit private that's a shit ton of hair. He had no clue what to do for me. He had to contact another female DS. We did end up finding some one to cut off my hair. I went from hair past my but to hair above my collar. I thought he was going to shit his pants when I came back to the barracks.
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I know Ranger School is different, if you go to ranger then bald head no matter if your male or female
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