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Who does it? According to the new AR670-1, SM has to be clean shaven while in uniform or in civilian attire while On Duty. Thing is, I've heard many SNCO's say that even off duty you have to be clean shaven. What is your input in this matter? Do you shave while on leave or on the weekends?
I usually don't shave on weekends or on leave, and I live On Post. I've been downrange for the past 10 months so the new AR 670-1 came out while I was out here. Don't know if a CSM is gonna come and chew my butt out for not shaving on a Saturday coming out of the PX lol.
I usually don't shave on weekends or on leave, and I live On Post. I've been downrange for the past 10 months so the new AR 670-1 came out while I was out here. Don't know if a CSM is gonna come and chew my butt out for not shaving on a Saturday coming out of the PX lol.
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When I was stationed in Italy around 2001 or so the 173rd CSM would sometimes assign a couple SSG's to stand outside the PX on Saturdays and if they saw unshaven personnel, they were supposed to ask for their ID card and if they were active duty they were instructed to not allow them entry into the PX because they hadn't shaved. Completely ridiculous. The funniest thing I remember was an Air Force guy laughing at him and telling him to F off. It was stupid stuff like that that convinced me I had to get out.
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Here is my take. If I am home for the weekend, don't have to go out of the house, or back on base, then no I do not shave. The way I read the reg is if you are ON DUTY(at work), that is preforming work in your MOS, weather it is overseas or stateside. You shave! if you and the wife go to a movie on post I would say to keep the beard police from seeing you shave. If I at my families house and on leave or just at my families for the weekend then no.
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I don't shave during my personal time. Its not that I don't take pride in myself; I just don't shave everyday. If I take my wife out to dinner, I will shave. If I need to go to the store down the road to by a Slim Jim, I am not going to shave.
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I generally do not shave when off duty, provided I will not be around military folks. If, for example I need to go in to work or go to the PX, even when I'm in civilians, I will shave beforehand.Â
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I don't normally shave much (as you can see from the profile pic. Having said that, I try to clean up the obivious areas when going somewhere (with or without my wife) just to look 'neat'.
I would ask SSgt Ed - 'why' does he refer to himself getting drunk at any given moment? Sounds more like a "normal" thing for his 'any day' occurrence. There are places and events that (even indirectly) require a sense of respect for 'other people'. Not being in complete control of your presence and presentation can put other people off (even without you knowing it). I didn't care many years ago. Slowly, I began to see that - - low and behold people started being more acceptable and 'friendly'. Just sayin.
I would ask SSgt Ed - 'why' does he refer to himself getting drunk at any given moment? Sounds more like a "normal" thing for his 'any day' occurrence. There are places and events that (even indirectly) require a sense of respect for 'other people'. Not being in complete control of your presence and presentation can put other people off (even without you knowing it). I didn't care many years ago. Slowly, I began to see that - - low and behold people started being more acceptable and 'friendly'. Just sayin.
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This is a perfect example of a huge problem going on in the Army right now.
- Junior leaders don't know what standards to enforce.
They've got the looming AR somewhere up there. They've got a blue book telling them another. Then more than likely they have another standard put out by the CSM. I read down this page and just chuckled as I saw the same thing happening on a discussion forum. A bunch of people throwing different LEVELS of regulation at each other. No one really knowing which one we're supposed to follow.
Old saying still holds true.
Too many chiefs.
- Junior leaders don't know what standards to enforce.
They've got the looming AR somewhere up there. They've got a blue book telling them another. Then more than likely they have another standard put out by the CSM. I read down this page and just chuckled as I saw the same thing happening on a discussion forum. A bunch of people throwing different LEVELS of regulation at each other. No one really knowing which one we're supposed to follow.
Old saying still holds true.
Too many chiefs.
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I'm came up back when you was given a order that's was that and you excuted.
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In reality, you're getting paid 24/7/365 when on AD. Ergo, you're technically on duty 24/7/365 on AD. We know from experience, that 24/7/365 doesn't work out so good for humans, so leave is in the mix. Additionally, we allow anyone of any rank to get married and have families - all as a result of experience.
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Truely I agree with you. Placing me in the barracks lawyer category...hurts my butt. Can I have a butt hurt chit there SSG?
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